ARE YOU CALLED?

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Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Paul was called or appointed by God to be the Apostle to the Gentiles and reveal the mystery of Christ (2 Timothy 1:11 Ephesians 3:4). The mystery was not made known before it was revealed to Paul (Romans 16:25). The mystery includes:

A The gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

B Blindness in part to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles (Romans 11:25).

C Christ and the church (Ephesians 5:32).

D A new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17).

E Dead to the law (Romans 7:4).

F The Gentiles should be of the same body (Ephesians 3:6 Romans 12:5).

1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Believers have been called or invited to be in Christ by believing the gospel, by trusting Christ for a completed salvation.

1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Saints are those who have believed the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:10). Saints are made holy through faith and can be kingdom believers (Matthew 27:52) or grace believers (Ephesians 4:12). Kingdom believers are those who are in Christ by faith. The kingdom believers, Jew or Gentile, are promised the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth (Daniel 7:18). Grace believers, Jew or Gentile, have believed the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and are members of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27) and are going to heaven (Ephesians 2:6).

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

We are called not by our works, but by his purpose.

8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

God has done everything for the called in salvation, we just believe.

9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Here Paul is speaking of Israel; how not all Israel is Israel, it is only the believing remnant that is the called. It is only the remnant that are children of the promise (Romans 9:8).

9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Paul, in the above verse, is speaking of the believing remnant as can be seen in Romans 9:25 where Paul sites Hosea 2:23, which refers to the remnant (Romans 9:27 1 Peter 2:10). The believing remnant of Israel is not Jews only, but Gentiles also (Romans 9:30).

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

I understand that in the verse above, Christ is referred to as being, "both their's and our's", which alludes to the called saints as being both kingdom believers promised the kingdom on earth; and grace believers who believed Paul's gospel and are going to heaven. In 1 Corinthians 15:11 Paul says that they believed either by the twelve Apostles of Christ's earthly ministry, preaching the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 24:14 Mark 16:15); or by him, preaching the gospel of Christ (Romans 15:19).

1 Corinthians 7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

I understand that Paul, in the above verses, was referring to called Jew and Gentile believers. A kingdom Jewish saint was being told not to become uncircumcised by not keeping the commandments. A grace believing saint was not to become circumcised by keeping the law (1 Corinthians 7:19).

1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

We are called by the preaching of Christ crucified (1 Corinthians 1:23).

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Being called, we should live for Him.
 
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Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Paul was called or appointed by God to be the Apostle to the Gentiles and reveal the mystery of Christ (2 Timothy 1:11 Ephesians 3:4). The mystery was not made known before it was revealed to Paul (Romans 16:25). The mystery includes:

A The gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

B Blindness in part to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles (Romans 11:25).

C Christ and the church (Ephesians 5:32).

D A new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17).

E Dead to the law (Romans 7:4).

F The Gentiles should be of the same body (Ephesians 3:6 Romans 12:5).

1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Believers have been called or invited to be in Christ by believing the gospel, by trusting Christ for a completed salvation.

1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Saints are those who have believed the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:10). Saints are made holy through faith and can be kingdom believers (Matthew 27:52) or grace believers (Ephesians 4:12). Kingdom believers are those who are in Christ by faith. The kingdom believers, Jew or Gentile, are promised the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth (Daniel 7:18). Grace believers, Jew or Gentile, have believed the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and are members of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27) and are going to heaven (Ephesians 2:6).

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

We are called not by our works, but by his purpose.

8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

God has done everything for the called in salvation, we just believe.

9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Here Paul is speaking of Israel; how not all Israel is Israel, it is only the believing remnant that is the called. It is only the remnant that are children of the promise (Romans 9:8).

9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Paul, in the above verse, is speaking of the believing remnant as can be seen in Romans 9:25 where Paul sites Hosea 2:23, which refers to the remnant (1 Peter 2:10). The believing remnant of Israel is not Jews only, but Gentiles also (Romans 9:30).

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

I understand that in the verse above, Christ is referred to as being, "both their's and our's", which alludes to the called saints as being both kingdom believers promised the kingdom on earth; and grace believers who believed Paul's gospel and are going to heaven. In 1 Corinthians 15:11 Paul says that they believed either by the twelve Apostles of Christ's earthly ministry, preaching the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 24:14 Mark 16:15); or by him, preaching the gospel of Christ (Romans 15:19).

1 Corinthians 7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

I understand that Paul, in the above verses, was referring to called Jew and Gentile believers. A kingdom Jewish saint was being told not to become uncircumcised by not keeping the commandments. A grace believing saint was not to become circumcised by keeping the law (1 Corinthians 7:19).

1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

We are called by the preaching of Christ crucified (1 Corinthians 1:23).

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Being called, we should live for Him.
Moreover whom he did predestinate...

Predestination determines who God calls.

Romans 9:21-24 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
 

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Moreover whom he did predestinate...

Predestination determines who God calls.

Romans 9:21-24 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

Hello

Predestination is by whom, through whom and by what means salvation has been selected by God according to his own counsel and purpose.
 

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Predestination and foreknowledge go together. God predestinates becauses he foreknows the choices we will make
 

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Predestination is by whom, through whom and by what means salvation has been selected by God according to his own counsel and purpose.
...and...that relates directly to calling...
 

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...and...that relates directly to calling...

Hi

Right

Called according to his purpose

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28
 

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Predestination and foreknowledge go together. God predestinates becauses he foreknows the choices we will make


Friend, "foreknow" only means to be aware of something before it happens. "The sun will rise tomorrow". Predestine means to CAUSE. "I will be the sole one responsible for making the sun rise tomorrow." It is impossible to predestine something after foreknowing it, although it is possible to predestine something and thus foreknow it. If God first only foreknows, then He doesn't CAUSE it.

Now, before you quote the verse, simply know that the Bible (like every other book) does not necessarily speak of things in order.... and that the word "and" does not mandate or even imply order.



Now, before the thread is derailed and hijacked (a rule violation????) YES, we are chosen. Especially to the Great Commandment and Great Commission.



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It is called discernment
 

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Predestination is by whom, through whom and by what means salvation has been selected by God according to his own counsel and purpose.

Does that mean that people play no role whatever in salvation?
 

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Does that mean that people play no role whatever in salvation?


Probably depends on what you mean by "salvation"..... but....

Try answering this very simple question... THE most important question in the universe.... THE most important question in eternity.... Be clear.....

WHO is the Savior?


IF you answer "Jesus" then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner, not 100% and not 0.0000000000000001%. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you. Not yours. You may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Not you. If Jesus is the Savior then you aren't. Simple. Easy.

IF you answer "ME!" then you are the Savior. Not Jesus. Not a bit, not at all. Not now, not ever. Not in any way, shape or form or manner. Salvation is all wrapped up in YOU. YOUR works. YOUR will. YOUR love. YOUR efforts. YOUR merits. YOUR obedience. YOUR righteousness. YOUR holiness. YOUR sacrifice. Not Jesus. Not Jesus'. Jesus may have some other role in some other matter, just not this one. The Savior is you. Simple. Easy.

Which is it? Try answering that. If you give the Christian answer, a LOT of Christianity falls into place.


Now, Pelagius and some other heretics TRY to answer "me" and make it seem not like a denial of the central truth and point of Christianity. And they fail. They do this by changing the question to: "Who is the helper? Who is the possibility-maker? Who is the door opener?" They thus strip Jesus of His role as SAVIOR (since they grant that to self). They abandon Christianity and embrace all the other religions of the world, all of which teach that no Savior is needed since self does it for self (albeit ONLY because the Divine has made it an option and ONLY because the divine helps us).



Blessings on your Holy Week.


- Josiah





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Probably depends on what you mean by "salvation"..... but....

Try answering this very simple question... THE most important question in the universe.... THE most important question in eternity.... Be clear.....

Are you asking me to answer my own question because you have no answer yourself?
 

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Josiah said:
MoreCoffee said:
Does that mean that people play no role whatever in salvation?


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Try answering this very simple question... THE most important question in the universe.... THE most important question in eternity.... Be clear....

The answer to your question flows from another...


WHO is the SAVIOR?


IF you answer "Jesus" then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner, not 100% and not 0.0000000000000001%. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you. Not yours. You may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Not you. If Jesus is the Savior then you aren't. Simple. Easy.


IF you answer "ME!" then you are the Savior. Not Jesus. Not a bit, not at all. Not now, not ever. Not in any way, shape or form or manner. Salvation is all wrapped up in YOU. YOUR works. YOUR will. YOUR love. YOUR efforts. YOUR merits. YOUR obedience. YOUR righteousness. YOUR holiness. YOUR sacrifice. Not Jesus. Not Jesus'. Jesus may have some other role in some other matter, just not this one. The Savior is you. Simple. Easy.

Which is it? Try answering that. If you give the Christian answer, a LOT of Christianity falls into place.


Now, Pelagius and some other heretics TRY to answer "me" and make it seem not like a denial of the central truth and point of Christianity. And they fail. They do this by changing the question to: "Who is the helper? Who is the possibility-maker? Who is the door opener?" They thus strip Jesus of His role as SAVIOR (since they grant that to self). They abandon Christianity and embrace all the other religions of the world, all of which teach that no Savior is needed since self does it for self (albeit ONLY because the Divine has made it an option and ONLY because the divine helps us).



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Are you asking me to answer my own question because you have no answer yourself?



I do have an answer. I don't evade it, I don't "fudge" or waver on it. I answer it boldly and clearly.

I answer "Jesus" . Thus Jesus is the Savior. Not you, not me - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner, not 100% and not 0.0000000000000001%. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you. Not yours. You may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Not you. Since Jesus is the Savior then I'm not, you not. Simple. Easy. And thus, no one is their own Savior (not even 0.00000000000000000000000000001%). No one has a "role" as their own Savior. This answer is what makes me a Christian. Now, as a Christian, I have roles - but none of them is as my own savior.




Blessings on your Holy Week.


- Josiah




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Probably depends on what you mean by "salvation"..... but....

Try answering this very simple question... THE most important question in the universe.... THE most important question in eternity.... Be clear.....

WHO is the Savior?


IF you answer "Jesus" then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner, not 100% and not 0.0000000000000001%. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you. Not yours. You may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Not you. If Jesus is the Savior then you aren't. Simple. Easy.

IF you answer "ME!" then you are the Savior. Not Jesus. Not a bit, not at all. Not now, not ever. Not in any way, shape or form or manner. Salvation is all wrapped up in YOU. YOUR works. YOUR will. YOUR love. YOUR efforts. YOUR merits. YOUR obedience. YOUR righteousness. YOUR holiness. YOUR sacrifice. Not Jesus. Not Jesus'. Jesus may have some other role in some other matter, just not this one. The Savior is you. Simple. Easy.

Which is it? Try answering that. If you give the Christian answer, a LOT of Christianity falls into place.


Now, Pelagius and some other heretics TRY to answer "me" and make it seem not like a denial of the central truth and point of Christianity. And they fail. They do this by changing the question to: "Who is the helper? Who is the possibility-maker? Who is the door opener?" They thus strip Jesus of His role as SAVIOR (since they grant that to self). They abandon Christianity and embrace all the other religions of the world, all of which teach that no Savior is needed since self does it for self (albeit ONLY because the Divine has made it an option and ONLY because the divine helps us).



Blessings on your Holy Week.


- Josiah

I see you added a whole bunch of stuff to your post and also didn't answer my question.
 

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Called according to his purpose

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28
Called...because the person is chosen (predestined)...which is according to God's purpose...not our will.
 

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What gospel?

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The gospel of Christ found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Faith in Christ alone and his imputed righteousness and propitiation
 

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Friend, "fore-KNOW" only means to be aware of something before it happens.
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Eternal Life means to KNOW the One True God and His Son, Jesus Christ...

Are you saying that Eternal Life means to be aware of something as it is happening?

And then we have Christ saying: "Depart from Me... I never KNEW you..."

FORE-KNOWING by God means, I should hope, more that mere prior awareness...

This is what it means to fallen man, I agree...


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