Are people afraid of debate and certain groups?

[Jason_76]

On many boards the ultra-right are banned and in fact, Holocaust Denial is illegal in Germany. However, what are we afraid of hearing? Anyway, I can see why many wouldn't want to associate with those types cause their views are so offensive that it hurts many people's feelings, it's basically harassment.

Are you offended by these groups? What if they wanted to march in your neighborhood? How do you feel about free speech when it's so restricted that you get called ultra-right when you're actually just being so so politically incorrect?

 

[Stravinsk]

Sort of depends on which group you're referring to. Lumping them into "far left/right" or some other generalized category is unhelpful, imo.

Even the term "Holocaust Denial" is something of a misnomer, as it suggests a view that all of the video/pictures we have as evidence is waved away fake - when in fact the view is more often that the narratives accompanying the pictures/video doesn't line up with either logic or facts. To wit: The video/pictures of extremely thin/emaciated dead humans doesn't suggest those humans died in gas chambers, rather, that they died of either typhus or starvation or both. It is a fact there was a typhus problem, and that Zyclon B was used to combat the parasites that carry it. It is also a fact that the Allies heavily bombed major sections of Germany, including supply lines, that would have effected it's ability to ship/supply food to the concentration camps. These facts are often ignored in commentaries of the pictoral evidence we see, in favor of rhetoric against "evil Germans".

 

[Jason_76]

Sort of depends on which group you're referring to. Lumping them into "far left/right" or some other generalized category is unhelpful, imo.

Even the term "Holocaust Denial" is something of a misnomer, as it suggests a view that all of the video/pictures we have as evidence is waved away fake - when in fact the view is more often that the narratives accompanying the pictures/video doesn't line up with either logic or facts. To wit: The video/pictures of extremely thin/emaciated dead humans doesn't suggest those humans died in gas chambers, rather, that they died of either typhus or starvation or both. It is a fact there was a typhus problem, and that Zyclon B was used to combat the parasites that carry it. It is also a fact that the Allies heavily bombed major sections of Germany, including supply lines, that would have effected it's ability to ship/supply food to the concentration camps. These facts are often ignored in commentaries of the pictoral evidence we see, in favor of rhetoric against "evil Germans".

Yeah, but they didn't have to imprison them to begin with, even if it was typhus and/or starvation.

 

[Stravinsk]

Yeah, but they didn't have to imprison them to begin with, even if it was typhus and/or starvation.

I don't know how well you know history, I get the impression from your posts that you are relatively young, and probably from the United States. Concentration camps were not unique to Germany, nor did they originate in Germany. You're probably aware that even the US had them for the Japanese.

Germans wanted Jews out of their country. With good reason. That isn't to say that every Jew deserved that (I don't believe that), but they do tend to stick together and work as a group subordinate to their Rabbis (which are in turn heavily influenced by the evil Talmudic writings), so it's not so easy to tell what an individual Jew's intentions or values reside.

Germans had first hand experience witnessing the 10's of millions of Christians being exterminated in Russia when Jewish influences took over to create the Soviet Union. The Soviets actually banned any speech against Jews. Russia was once a predominately Christian country. Under the Wiemar Republic (pre-Hitler), Germans were impoverished, starved, demoralized and greatly taken advantage of by mostly Jewish owned businesses and media. The first homosexual films were created in Germany under this influence. The first transexual/transgender influences were created in Germany under this influence.

To top that all off, when the Nazi's took over the Jews worldwide incited a world wide boycott against Germany. They even proclaimed war on Germany. Search the newspaper title "Judea declare war on Germany". Wikipedia calls this a "conspiracy theory", but it was in fact declared in newspapers and there was a boycott of German goods.

If you listened to Hitler's declaration of war on the US, that I posted on another thread, he gives details of how the US, under the leadership of Roosevelt, targeted both civilian and military German ships, among many other things prior to Pearl Harbor. He knew that Roosevelt and Churchill were under Jewish influence.

 

[Jason_76]

I don't know how well you know history, I get the impression from your posts that you are relatively young, and probably from the United States. Concentration camps were not unique to Germany, nor did they originate in Germany. You're probably aware that even the US had them for the Japanese.

Germans wanted Jews out of their country. With good reason. That isn't to say that every Jew deserved that (I don't believe that), but they do tend to stick together and work as a group subordinate to their Rabbis (which are in turn heavily influenced by the evil Talmudic writings), so it's not so easy to tell what an individual Jew's intentions or values reside.

Germans had first hand experience witnessing the 10's of millions of Christians being exterminated in Russia when Jewish influences took over to create the Soviet Union. The Soviets actually banned any speech against Jews. Russia was once a predominately Christian country. Under the Wiemar Republic (pre-Hitler), Germans were impoverished, starved, demoralized and greatly taken advantage of by mostly Jewish owned businesses and media. The first homosexual films were created in Germany under this influence. The first transexual/transgender influences were created in Germany under this influence.

To top that all off, when the Nazi's took over the Jews worldwide incited a world wide boycott against Germany. They even proclaimed war on Germany. Search the newspaper title "Judea declare war on Germany". Wikipedia calls this a "conspiracy theory", but it was in fact declared in newspapers and there was a boycott of German goods.

If you listened to Hitler's declaration of war on the US, that I posted on another thread, he gives details of how the US, under the leadership of Roosevelt, targeted both civilian and military German ships, among many other things prior to Pearl Harbor. He knew that Roosevelt and Churchill were under Jewish influence.

How can you justify the murder of the disabled, especially from a Christian POV? How can you justify extreme scientific racism as espoused by the Nazis? How about medical experiments on camp inmates?

 

[Stravinsk]

How can you justify the murder of the disabled, especially from a Christian POV? How can you justify extreme scientific racism as espoused by the Nazis? How about medical experiments on camp inmates?

I don't justify any of those things. Did they happen though? Why do you believe it?

Let's take the 6 million figure. This figure was not supported by the Red Cross. In Auschwitz the number of Jews supposedly murdered went from 4 million to 1.5 million. Let's do some basic math: 1.5 + 2.5 = 4. So 2.5 million not exterminated at Auschwitz. Stands to reason the official 6million figure should be lowered, right? But it's not. Here's an article on it: The Auschwitz Plaques and the 6 Million Myth – Holohoax – BestGore

Jews have a long long history of lying. Even Martin Luther mentioned it in his book "The Jews and their Lies" hundreds of years ago.

Here's another liar. Netanyahu. Here's some excerpts from a speech he gave trying to incite the West against Muslims by saying a Muslim influenced Hitler:

Here he is inciting war again, against Iraq and Iran. Need I mention how many US military lives were lost in Iraq/Afghanistan and other regions considered "Israel's enemies"?

Popular Jewish directed movies also contain lots of lies. They are meant to manipulate emotion and get people to feel sorry for Jews. Let's look at just one in the famous "Schindler's List". This is actually based on a fictional book written by an Australian. Near the end Schindler breaks down in tears that he couldn't save more Jews and is comforted by his Jewish secretary, who supposedly quotes the Talmud:

"He who saves a single life, saves the entire world."

Here is the actual Talmud quote: "Whosoever preserves a single soul of Israel, Scripture ascribes to him as if he had preserved a complete world" (Tractate Sanhedrin 37a). The Talmud only praises the saving of Jewish lives.

 

[Albion]

Yeah, but they didn't have to imprison them to begin with, even if it was typhus and/or starvation.

Moreover, trumpeting the rare 'exceptions to the rule' (it being that millions of innocent people were sent to be tortured and killed in various ways at the direction of the Third Reich) is an exercise that should disgust every reader.

And it is also worth noting that those alibis have been used by many apologists for the Nazi regime over the years and have been disproved many times over.

 

[Albion]

Let's take the 6 million figure. This figure was not supported by the Red Cross. In Auschwitz the number of Jews supposedly murdered went from 4 million to 1.5 million. Let's do some basic math: 1.5 + 2.5 = 4. So 2.5 million not exterminated at Auschwitz. Stands to reason the official 6million figure should be lowered, right? But it's not.

Well, actually it has been lowered. The real number is impossible to determine, in part because there is no way to firmly establish which deaths were the result of a obvious event such as the gassings of prisoners at the camps upon them being taken from the railroad cars to the "showers" and, on the other hand, the many instances of soldiers simply lining up Jews and shooting them in accordance with the instructions and the policy of their commanding officers.

So, the 6,000,000 figure is not absolute. It's admittedly an approximation, the better figure being more like 5,990,000+. Either way, and for want of something more precise, it's arrived at by taking the pre-war population of Germany and the occupied territories and comparing that to the post-war population. It could be "off" by some thousands, but nothing like reducing the total to the 200,000 figure that's popular with some apologists (as if murdering only 200,000 innocent people at the order of the government is nothing to get upset about!)

 

[Stravinsk]

Well, actually it has been lowered. The real number is impossible to determine, in part because there is no way to firmly establish which deaths were the result of a obvious event such as the gassings of prisoners at the camps upon them being taken from the railroad cars to the "showers" and, on the other hand, the many instances of soldiers simply lining up Jews and shooting them in accordance with the instructions and the policy of their commanding officers.

So, the 6,000,000 figure is not absolute. It's admittedly an approximation, the better figure being more like 5,990,000+. Either way, and for want of something more precise, it's arrived at by taking the pre-war population of Germany and the occupied territories and comparing that to the post-war population. It could be "off" by some thousands, but nothing like reducing the total to the 200,000 figure that's popular with some apologists (as if murdering only 200,000 innocent people at the order of the government is nothing to get upset about!)

1.5m + 2.5m = 5.9m Gotcha. Everything is clear now. Except to my basic math teacher.

 

[Albion]

1.5m + 2.5m = 5.9m Gotcha. Everything is clear now. Except to my basic math teacher.

I don't believe that it was your basic math teacher who made a mistake. Also, referring to the Auschwitz data and it alone does not address the cost in human lives of what's called the Holocaust. I'm sure you know this.

 

[Jason_76]

There was so much eugenics teaching and propaganda as well as lust for land to the east that how could it be a lie even if you thought Jews were known for lying?

 

[Stravinsk]

There was so much eugenics teaching and propaganda as well as lust for land to the east that how could it be a lie even if you thought Jews were known for lying?

You speak of eugenics. Notwithstanding the so called "vaccine" mRNA is all about eugenics, and the pharma companies pushing it as well as regulatory agencies are largely administered by Jews...

Let's move back in time. Do yourself a favor. Watch part 1 of "Europa the last battle". You can find it here:

Europa The Last Battle Part 1

Eugenics is dealt with in the first 5 minutes. It's a Jewish dream. The so called "chosen people".