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I'm concerned about my wife. We entered into a debate because she is considering working on Sundays. As part of her job search, she is open to applying for jobs that include working on Sundays. I have explained to her that I don't think it is a good idea because it would be good for us to both rest in the Lord on that day after a busy week of work. I also explained how it would feel to go to church on my own without her. My exact words were, "It would mean a lot to me for us to attend church together because doing that will show others at church that you and I are united. It will show that we are one in Christ, just as we became at our wedding. It sets an example to others. In attending together, we will shine the light of Christ forth to the other members of the church."

What is distressing is that she doesn't agree with this. Just because we are facing a few problems in our marriage, she thinks that going to church together will be "pretending to be united". I say that we are already united in Christ because we are married. We might be experiencing a few problems, but I think that gives even more weight to going to church together. I believe that not attending church together will make our problems even worse because we will be spiritually misaligned.

She seems stuck in stone, immovable in her opinion. She can't see how important it is to go to church together, and this is worrying. It is also worrying that she is willing to prioritise work and make God fit around it, rather than make work fit with God. After all, we should give God all of the glory.

What should I do?
 

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Hello, XELOSI.

My reaction isn't going to help much. but maybe it should be gotten out of the way before the discussion really gets going.

It seemed to me, reading your post, that you described things in a clear enough way, but I still wound up not knowing where to start with an answer because several different problem areas were identified and I am not sure which is the most important, which affects which other one(s) directly, and so on.,
 

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Hello, XELOSI.

My reaction isn't going to help much. but maybe it should be gotten out of the way before the discussion really gets going.

It seemed to me, reading your post, that you described things in a clear enough way, but I still wound up not knowing where to start with an answer because several different problem areas were identified and I am not sure which is the most important, which affects which other one(s) directly, and so on.,
Well, it's mainly the issue of her being completely fine with working on a Sunday. I'd rather she look for jobs that wouldn't require her to work on Sundays. I think it's important that we attend church together every Sunday, but it just doesn't seem that important to her. I explained that rather than work on a Sunday, we go to church together to show that we are one in Christ and to shine forth the light of the Lord, but she brought up the excuse of not wanting to go because she would be "pretending to be united". Now, I think that we are only experiencing minor problems in our marriage, however, I believe it is especially important to go to church together because it will help us grow spiritually and will strengthen our marriage.

Maybe that hasn't cleared it up. It's a rather multifaceted issue, but it all stemmed from the discussion we had about how we should spend our Sundays.
 

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Okay. I think I owe you an answer, even if it's only a beginning.

To me, the idea that she should accompany you to church services because doing so will "show that we are one in Christ and to shine forth the light of the Lord" seems like a weak proposition. (But it may depend on the doctrines of your particular church how the congregants would view the matter.)

Still, the way you've made your appeal to your wife makes it sound like something that's important for the reason that it will make you look better if she agrees, or else you're insisting that your own religious convictions outweigh her own thinking.

In any case, it makes the other issue--Sunday rest/adherence to the 4th commandment--seem not to be what you're actually concerned about.

Of course, we all wish that you two would be together in church and in your religious convictions, but I wonder if you don't need to approach her with more understanding for her way of looking at all these issues. Why, for example, does she want to work on Sunday? Is it that it's hard for her to find a job in her field that doesn't involve the business being open on Sunday? Does the family need the money? Is her religious background identical to yours? Is she just not as much into religion as you are, doesn't care for the particular congregation you belong to, or maybe her own religious background doesn't concern itself with Sunday rest as yours does?
 
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Well, it's mainly the issue of her being completely fine with working on a Sunday. I'd rather she look for jobs that wouldn't require her to work on Sundays. I think it's important that we attend church together every Sunday, but it just doesn't seem that important to her. I explained that rather than work on a Sunday, we go to church together to show that we are one in Christ and to shine forth the light of the Lord, but she brought up the excuse of not wanting to go because she would be "pretending to be united". Now, I think that we are only experiencing minor problems in our marriage, however, I believe it is especially important to go to church together because it will help us grow spiritually and will strengthen our marriage.

Maybe that hasn't cleared it up. It's a rather multifaceted issue, but it all stemmed from the discussion we had about how we should spend our Sundays.
Sounds to me like you think your problems are not that bad, but she thinks they're gigantic. I saw some spoiled tiktok girl on bored panda with loads of demands. Her boyfriend had to text her every morning and he had to compliment her or else mrs would hold a grudge and she said: you ask for a small thing, but he doesnt do it and to make up for it he does something else, but she'd still hold the grudge over not getting a good morning text. So maybe she has asked you some minor thing for ages and you should do it. I don't know.
She doesn't want to keep up appearances. If I were you I'd ask her if she wants counselling and then listen to what she has to say, find a mature couple with a good marriage who can help you. That did work for us for some years. She shouldn't put her work before God, but I don't know, I'd say watch out Jesus almost comes back (look at me talking, I don't even go to a church now and I should), but also say you don't want to keep up appearances. Find out what bothers her.
I divorced. My ex said: I don't want the kid in the bed. I was tired. He didn't help. It was easier to get some sleep. I ignored him. He sought attention elsewhere. We're divorced now over what began as a tiny thing.
Do you do something wrong? Pray for her. Lay your life down. Say you want counselling. If she only blames you and doesn't want counselling, just pray. You can't force her. We prayed for my dad for years. He was an atheist. My parents' marriage wasn't good. She started to obey him. First she asked God to change him, but God said: You change. Forgive and bless and obey him. She laid down her life for him. My dad has now become a christian at 87. Now you're the man, so I wouldn't do the last thing, but men do have to lay down their lives for their wives.
 

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Oh, no, it's got nothing to do with making me look better and is everything to do with being right in the eyes of God and adhering to the 4th commandment. But perhaps how I said it makes it seem like I'm only concerned about myself?

I do think that what I said ties in with being right in the eyes of God. That is what I am most concerned about.

I thought that by mentioning to you my concerns about working on Sunday, I thought that adherence to the 4th commandment was implied.
 

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Okay. I think I owe you an answer, even if it's only a beginning.

To me, the idea that she should accompany you to church services because doing so will "show that we are one in Christ and to shine forth the light of the Lord" seems like a weak proposition. (But it may depend on the doctrines of your particular church how the congregants would view the matter.)

Still, the way you've made your appeal to your wife makes it sound like something that's important for the reason that it will make you look better if she agrees, or else you're insisting that your own religious convictions outweigh her own thinking.

In any case, it makes the other issue--Sunday rest/adherence to the 4th commandment--seem not to be what you're actually concerned about.

Of course, we all wish that you two would be together in church and in your religious convictions, but I wonder if you don't need to approach her with more understanding for her way of looking at all these issues. Why, for example, does she want to work on Sunday? Is it that it's hard for her to find a job in her field that doesn't involve the business being open on Sunday? Does the family need the money, or else why is she working? Is her religious background identical to yours? Is she sick of religion, doesn't care for the particular congregation you belong to, or does her own religious background not make as much of Sunday rest and as yours does?
Oh, no, it's got nothing to do with making me look better and is everything to do with being right in the eyes of God and adhering to the 4th commandment. But perhaps how I said it makes it seem like I'm only concerned about myself?

I do think that what I said ties in with being right in the eyes of God. That is what I am most concerned about.

By mentioning to you my concerns about working on Sunday, I thought that adherence to the 4th commandment was implied.
 

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Sounds to me like you think your problems are not that bad, but she thinks they're gigantic. I saw some spoiled tiktok girl on bored panda with loads of demands. Her boyfriend had to text her every morning and he had to compliment her or else mrs would hold a grudge and she said: you ask for a small thing, but he doesnt do it and to make up for it he does something else, but she'd still hold the grudge over not getting a good morning text. So maybe she has asked you some minor thing for ages and you should do it. I don't know.
She doesn't want to keep up appearances. If I were you I'd ask her if she wants counselling and then listen to what she has to say, find a mature couple with a good marriage who can help you. That did work for us for some years. She shouldn't put her work before God, but I don't know, I'd say watch out Jesus almost comes back (look at me talking, I don't even go to a church now and I should), but also say you don't want to keep up appearances. Find out what bothers her.
I divorced. My ex said: I don't want the kid in the bed. I was tired. He didn't help. It was easier to get some sleep. I ignored him. He sought attention elsewhere. We're divorced now over what began as a tiny thing.
Do you do something wrong? Pray for her. Lay your life down. Say you want counselling. If she only blames you and doesn't want counselling, just pray. You can't force her. We prayed for my dad for years. He was an atheist. My parents' marriage wasn't good. She started to obey him. First she asked God to change him, but God said: You change. Forgive and bless and obey him. She laid down her life for him. My dad has now become a christian at 87. Now you're the man, so I wouldn't do the last thing, but men do have to lay down their lives for their wives.
Yes, that's a good idea. I will suggest counselling and see what she thinks. I will also pray. Thanks.
 

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Oh, no, it's got nothing to do with making me look better and is everything to do with being right in the eyes of God and adhering to the 4th commandment. But perhaps how I said it makes it seem like I'm only concerned about myself?
Right. The message as written here made it seem that way--or at least in a way that any observer might take it, your wife included.
I do think that what I said ties in with being right in the eyes of God. That is what I am most concerned about.

By mentioning to you my concerns about working on Sunday, I thought that adherence to the 4th commandment was implied.
Yes. It was. However, getting a resolution of the problem you are facing seems to me probably to require you and us here to know and appreciate where your wife is coming from, religiously speaking.

That's why I asked those questions about her own religious background.

Incidentally, if you two were to take "it" to a professional counselor, there would almost certainly be "what about accounting for her feelings?" injected into the conversation early on.
 

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Right. The message as written here made it seem that way--or at least in a way that any observer might take it, your wife included.

Yes. It was. However, getting a resolution of the problem you are facing seems to me probably to require you and us here to know and appreciate where your wife is coming from, religiously speaking.

That's why I asked those questions about her own religious background.

Incidentally, if you two were to take "it" to a professional counselor, there would almost certainly be "what about accounting for her feelings?" injected into the conversation early on.
Her feelings are that she isn't too concerned about going to church because she doesn't feel comfortable with going to church together as she'd feel like she is pretending that things okay. I agree that things are not completely okay, but I think that going to church together will help us be spiritually revitalised and will help us navigate our issues more effectively.

Doing counselling is something that we did a while ago. I will bring it up with her and suggest that we try it again.

Also, her background is pentecostal, whereas I am presbyterian, but she is fine with us going to a presbyterian church together as she subscribes to the core beliefs.
 

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Her feelings are that she isn't too concerned about going to church because she doesn't feel comfortable with going to church together as she'd feel like she is pretending that things okay. I agree that things are not completely okay, but I think that going to church together will help us be spiritually revitalised and will help us navigate our issues more effectively.
So far as focusing in on the heart of the matter, you may have hit the nail right on the head there.

But if so, my own feeling still is that you are unrealistic if you think that that scenario has much of a chance of genuine success, of resolving the disagreements.

You said: "Her feelings are that she isn't too concerned about going to church because she doesn't feel comfortable with going to church together as she'd feel like she is pretending that things okay."

That's the real issue. If I am correct, you'll need to try a more conciliatory approach. You hope that she'll get comfortable if she defies her own thinking and goes along with your format, but, frankly, that's very unlikely.

Also, her background is pentecostal, whereas I am presbyterian, but she is fine with us going to a presbyterian church together as she subscribes to the core beliefs.
Very well, the comparison of those two Christian traditions doesn't seem meaningful then. Had she been raised in one of a number of other churches, that might have told us something important.
 
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So far as focusing in on the heart of the matter, you may have hit the nail right on the head there.

But if so, my own feeling still is that you are unrealistic if you think that that scenario has much of a chance of genuine success, of resolving the disagreements.

If I am correct, you'll need to try a more conciliatory approach.

Now, you can dismiss my thinking and continue to ask her to submit to your thinking and suppress her own. I cannot imagine now the latter would solve the problem, though, even if she did do exactly what you want with regard to accompanying you to church and declining any job that might include Sunday hours.


Very well, the comparison of those two Christian traditions doesn't seem meaningful then. Had she been raised in one of a number of other churches, that might have told us something important.
I'm not asking her to submit to my thinking. I'm hoping she will understand my thinking. It doesn't make sense to me why she would be willing to work on a Sunday when there are so many other jobs that she could apply for that don't require you to work on a Sunday. I understand that she wants a job, but I don't see why she needs to actively consider working on Sunday when there are so many jobs available that only require you to work from Monday to Friday or Monday to Saturday. I think it is important for us both to have the same day off from work so that we are spiritually aligned. It feels right to both have the same day of rest, in which we rest in the Lord and dedicate ourselves to Him, rather than each of us having a different rest day.... It would throw things off-kilter, you know?


And it's not a matter of "accompanying" me to church.... that implies a sense of unwillingness on her part. It is a matter of doing what is right in the eyes of the Lord and having a strong desire to go to church. I'm more worried about her spiritual state than anything else.
 

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I'm not asking her to submit to my thinking. I'm hoping she will understand my thinking.
Is there any reason to think she doesn't understand it? I thought I could see where both parties are coming from just from reading the first post here.
And it's not a matter of "accompanying" me to church.... that implies a sense of unwillingness on her part.
My friend, it sure seems that way. I only have a few posts to go by when saying that, but the way you described her feelings definitely seemed to say that.

For example, she thinks she would be giving some sort of phony witness to the other worshippers that your marriage is going along smoothly. And she sincerely feels that she'd be giving a kind of false testimony. That's important. And entirely understandable, even if other wives might see it differently were they in her position.
It is a matter of doing what is right in the eyes of the Lord and having a strong desire to go to church. I'm more worried about her spiritual state than anything else.
Certainly you are. That isn't at issue.

Anyway, I seem not to have been of much help, but if one person appears to be monopolizing the discussion on these requests for advice, I know that it deters others from joining in with their own advice, so I should now stop. My best wishes go with you for finding the right move to make.
 

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I'm concerned about my wife. We entered into a debate because she is considering working on Sundays. As part of her job search, she is open to applying for jobs that include working on Sundays. I have explained to her that I don't think it is a good idea because it would be good for us to both rest in the Lord on that day after a busy week of work. I also explained how it would feel to go to church on my own without her. My exact words were, "It would mean a lot to me for us to attend church together because doing that will show others at church that you and I are united. It will show that we are one in Christ, just as we became at our wedding. It sets an example to others. In attending together, we will shine the light of Christ forth to the other members of the church."

What is distressing is that she doesn't agree with this. Just because we are facing a few problems in our marriage, she thinks that going to church together will be "pretending to be united". I say that we are already united in Christ because we are married. We might be experiencing a few problems, but I think that gives even more weight to going to church together. I believe that not attending church together will make our problems even worse because we will be spiritually misaligned.

She seems stuck in stone, immovable in her opinion. She can't see how important it is to go to church together, and this is worrying. It is also worrying that she is willing to prioritise work and make God fit around it, rather than make work fit with God. After all, we should give God all of the glory.

What should I do?

It seems you have a few things going on here and some of them are more about coming to an agreement with your wife than us giving you a list of Things You Should Do.

A few things I noticed in what you said.

Firstly, going to church to "show others.... that (you) are united". It's good to go to church, without a doubt. But are you going to church to spend time with God or to put on a show for other people? Your unity doesn't depend on whether you go to church. You can "shine the light" even if you aren't attending together. It's one thing if you aren't doing stuff together because your marriage is on the rocks but doing stuff separately because you have different schedules doesn't necessarily mean you can't shine lights. There are times my wife goes to church and I go for a walk in the woods. People at church know me, they know sometimes I need to be in the mountains and the woods, and it's affectionately referred to as me doing church in the mountains.

Your second paragraph mentions problems in your marriage, which leaves me wondering even more whether this "showing we are united" is more of an act than anything useful. Without knowing what the problems are (and don't feel you need to share on a public forum if you'd rather not) it's hard to comment much about that. I'm not sure that not attending church together will result in you becoming "spiritually misaligned" if you are spending quality time together. If you aren't spending quality time together then an hour every week putting on a show won't help your spiritual alignment.

You commented that "she seems... immovable in her opinion". Are you any less immovable? Have you considered what, if any, merits her arguments might hold?

Does your church offer services at other times? Could you attend on Sunday evenings, or Wednesday evenings, or some other time? For a long time I attended church on a Sunday evening. I didn't work on Sundays but was usually tired after the week and wanted the chance to lie in. So I went to the evening service and slept late in the morning.

I think a few other points you made seem to be a kind of spiritual jargon to try and bolster your side of things. Yes, you should give God the glory but how that relates to the issue at hand isn't clear. Over the years I've known people who worked different shifts that sometimes included Sundays but who took a different day off during the week. A friend of mine works in a grocery store and sometimes has to work Sundays. On those days her husband comes to church without her. Nobody thinks less of her, or of them. They have bills to pay just as everyone else does.

If a job requires you to work every Sunday, perhaps you can attend a Bible study with a small group. What matters is the meeting together with others, rather than the being in a specific building. If you don't have an announcement time and six hymns during your small group's meeting, does that matter? If anything a small group allows people to be a lot more real than a church service on a Sunday because you develop a closer sense of fellowship and trust.

Consider are whether you need her to be working to pay bills or if she wants to work for a sense of self-worth. If you're a hedge fund manager and she feels she Should Be Doing Something and ends up mopping the floor at McDonalds every Sunday, maybe she doesn't need the job as badly as she thinks and could find something else to do. On the other hand if you're six months behind on your mortgage and are getting the letters threatening repossession, perhaps it's better to take the job that will make the problem go away and reassess later.
 

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Xelosi, you will have to excuse me as I am busy and have not had the time to peruse this entire thread and some of my questions may be redundant or inappropriate .However I did not wish to ignore your request for help if there was something I could possibly offer.

Is your wife in a line of employment which requires that she needs to be available to work on Sundays? Is your family under financial stress? Is she less passionate about Godly matters then you are? Does she prioritize money over Godly concerns? Do you spend daily.time together in prayer and Bible study? Are there other times during the week when she and you can attend services together and get together with other believers? Most importantly draw close to God yourself and pray for her.

I am praying about your circumstances. Perhaps others can do the same. Perhaps, Xelosi, you can post a prayer request in the prayer section of this forum
 
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I read more carefully through the thread. In my opinion regardless of her decision about working on Sunday can you find the time to spend regular, frequent time in prayer and Bible study together? Continue also to pray individually about the matter. Could your religious differences be a factor in a lack of enthusiasm about attending a Presbyterian service if she is Pentecostal? Differences in belief are significant even though she has stated to you that core beliefs are the same. In any case you indicate that there is tension in your marriage relationship to the extent that you have received counseling previously.
 
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I'm concerned about my wife. We entered into a debate because she is considering working on Sundays. As part of her job search, she is open to applying for jobs that include working on Sundays. I have explained to her that I don't think it is a good idea because it would be good for us to both rest in the Lord on that day after a busy week of work. I also explained how it would feel to go to church on my own without her. My exact words were, "It would mean a lot to me for us to attend church together because doing that will show others at church that you and I are united. It will show that we are one in Christ, just as we became at our wedding. It sets an example to others. In attending together, we will shine the light of Christ forth to the other members of the church."

What is distressing is that she doesn't agree with this. Just because we are facing a few problems in our marriage, she thinks that going to church together will be "pretending to be united". I say that we are already united in Christ because we are married. We might be experiencing a few problems, but I think that gives even more weight to going to church together. I believe that not attending church together will make our problems even worse because we will be spiritually misaligned.

She seems stuck in stone, immovable in her opinion. She can't see how important it is to go to church together, and this is worrying. It is also worrying that she is willing to prioritise work and make God fit around it, rather than make work fit with God. After all, we should give God all of the glory.

What should I do?

There are always two sides of a story. All we hear from you is yours. I'll bet if your wife voiced her story, it would be somewhat different.

My point...I don't think marital troubles can be resolved based only on one parties testimony.

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