Acceptable year of the Lord

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There is a reason that it is called the Jewish Passover rather than the Lord's Passover. It is because the second Passover was created by the Jews. ...

Looks like all three passover feasts mentioned in the gospel according to saint John are called The Passover of the Jews so why do you single out John 6:4 as a special case?

(John 2:13 RSV) The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

(John 2:23 RSV) Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover feast, many believed in his name when they saw the signs which he did;

(John 6:4 RSV) Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

(John 11:55 RSV) Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover, to purify themselves.

(John 12:1 RSV) Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Laz'arus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.

(John 13:1 RSV) Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.

(John 18:28 RSV) Then they led Jesus from the house of Ca'iaphas to the praetorium. It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover.

(John 18:39 RSV) But you have a custom that I should release one man for you at the Passover; will you have me release for you the King of the Jews?"

(John 19:14 RSV) Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, "Behold your King!"
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[MoreCoffee]

Is this "Pesach Sheni" before or after "the primary Passover"?

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Second thing is that there is a Passover for those who didn't make the first one. It is called Pesach Sheni. It happens one month later. ....

So you're contending that John 6:4 is not passover but something else, an invention of the Jews, not a feast commanded by God. And you contend that it was one month after John 2:13, right?

 

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So you're contending that John 6:4 is not passover but something else, an invention of the Jews, not a feast commanded by God. And you contend that it was one month after John 2:13, right?

Yes... It is a second Passover ... Not the primary one that Yeshua fulfilled, and that is why He didn't attend. You know it is commanded that all Jews attend the Passover. This second Passover happens one month later.

 

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Yes... It is a second Passover ... Not the primary one that Yeshua fulfilled, and that is why He didn't attend. You know it is commanded that all Jews attend the Passover. This second Passover happens one month later.

No. It is not passover in any way. Yet the holy scriptures call it passover.

 

[visionary]

No. It is not passover in any way. Yet the holy scriptures call it passover.

Are you saying it is not "passover" in any way? yet in the holy scriptures called "passover"... ??

 

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Are you saying it is not "passover" in any way? yet in the holy scriptures called "passover"... ??

No. I am saying that "second passover" is not passover in any way. Yet John 6:4 is about passover.

 

[visionary]

No. I am saying that "second passover" is not passover in any way. Yet John 6:4 is about passover.

Did you miss the posts and scriptures in them that show the second passover??

 

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Did you miss the posts and scriptures in them that show the second passover??

John 6:4 does not say "second passover".

 

[visionary]

John 6:4 does not say "second passover".

and?? Yeshua never attended the John 6:4 Passover. Being a law abiding Jew, He should have gone to Jerusalem and prepared Himself to attend the Passover. It is the Law. Instead He teaches about the bread of life, stays in Capernium, and preaches from there.

 

[MoreCoffee]

and?? Yeshua never attended the John 6:4 Passover. Being a law abiding Jew, He should have gone to Jerusalem and prepared Himself to attend the Passover. It is the Law. Instead He teaches about the bread of life, stays in Capernium, and preaches from there.

You read a great deal INTO the passage; specifically, you read things that are not in the text.

 

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You read a great deal INTO the passage; specifically, you read things that are not in the text.

But yet uses facts to do it seems like you dont want it to be there, Ever thought that Jesus was perfect and therefore cvould not break the Law and remain so?

 

[MoreCoffee]

But yet uses facts to do it seems like you don't want it to be there, Ever thought that Jesus was perfect and therefore could not break the Law and remain so?

Jehovah's witnesses say that they use facts to arrive at their interpretations including the absurd ones. Since the text says "It was nearly time for the Feast of Passover, kept annually by the Jews" I see no reason to interpret that as meaning "a month after passover"

 

[visionary]

Jehovah's witnesses say that they use facts to arrive at their interpretations including the absurd ones. Since the text says "It was nearly time for the Feast of Passover, kept annually by the Jews" I see no reason to interpret that as meaning "a month after passover"

Best evidence is Yeshua. What He does is right and according to the Law.

 

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Best evidence is Yeshua. What He does is right and according to the Law.

John 6:4 appears to happen before the Passover so the Lord Jesus Christ would very likely make his way to Jerusalem for the feast but that journey does not appear to be included in the account. But your view seems to be that John 6:4 happens a month after Passover since the Jewish festival you've described happen in the second month while Passover happens in the first Month of the Jewish religious calendar.

 

[visionary]

John 6:4 appears to happen before the Passover so the Lord Jesus Christ would very likely make his way to Jerusalem for the feast but that journey does not appear to be included in the account. But your view seems to be that John 6:4 happens a month after Passover since the Jewish festival you've described happen in the second month while Passover happens in the first Month of the Jewish religious calendar.

The Passover happened in John 2...

John 2 Passover and Wedding at Cana
John 3 Yeshua Teaches Nicodemus
John 4 Yeshua Testifies to the Samaritan Woman
John 5 The Pool of Bethesda
John 6 Yeshua Feeds the 5,000 before Passover Sheni

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Passover happened in John 2...

Yes, John 2:13 is before a Passover but it is a different one from the Passover of John 6:4. The same expression is used for both ("the Passover of the Jews was near") but your reckoning would make John 2:13 before a Passover and John 6:4 after a Passover and it seems you mean that 2:13 is before the same Passover that 6:4 is after yet the holy scriptures say both passages happen before Passover.

 

[visionary]

Did you know that the KJV did not invite Jewish Scholars to help them understand what they were reading and trying to translate. They would not be familiar with the importance and significance of the Feasts and the role they played in the life of a Jew, especially a perfect Jew like Yeshua.

Above are the festivals of the Jewish calendar for the year. This means that Yeshua, as an observant Jew, was expected to attend:

Passover (Spring)
Pentecost (Late Spring)
Tabernacles (Fall)

in Jerusalem. By following the calendar and starting with the chronology in the Gospel of John noting Yeshua's attendance at the Feasts
correlating this to the other three Gospels. Yeshua provides leavened bread (not allowed at Passover) to feed the crowd, and even saves the fragments for later use. (John 6:13) Yeshua is in Galilee, not Jerusalem attending the Passover as he should, if the translators translated correctly which feast it is, and neither are the disciples and multitudes attending the Passover which doesn't make sense.

 

[visionary]

John 2:12 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days. 13 And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money

It is now time for the Passover, which is 14 days after the beginning of the year; it is two weeks after John announced “The Lamb”. Arriving in Jerusalem, he prepares for the Passover by expelling the money changers from the Temple (verse 14), and when the priests ask for a sign, he introduces the prophetic statement “destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up” (verse 19).

John 2:23 says that Yeshua was in Jerusalem during the Feast, and that after that, Yeshua and the disciples went into Judea where John was baptizing, John 3:22. So Yeshua had to still be in Jerusalem for Nicodemus to meet him. Nicodemus, a Pharisee, witnesses this event, and comes to Yeshua at night during the Feast of First fruits, part of the week of unleavened bread connected with the Passover.

At Samaria, he meets the woman at the well, and then with the entire town (John 4:5-42), and stays there for two days (verse 40). He even tells them that he is the Messiah (verses 26, 42). Finally, in verse 43, he continues his journey to Galilee. This could be the time of his rejection at Nazareth (verse 44). The Galileans received him since they had seen the things he had done in Jerusalem at the Feast of Passover (verse 45), which was just a few weeks before. In verse 46, he comes again to Galilee “where he had made the water wine” and heals the nobleman’s son (John 4:46-53). It’s been less than two months since John announced "The Lamb".

The next thing we see is “a feast of the Jews”, and Yahushua goes to Jerusalem (John 5:1). What feast is this? It has to be Pentecost because that is the next feast that all good Jewish boys must do. It fits the chronological order of events too. This is Shavuot, also called Pentecost, 50 days after the Passover/Unleavened Bread Feast of First fruits. Pentecost is a pilgrimage feast, and Yahushua is required to attend it, which he does. Note that when there is a “multitude” (verse 13) present at a pilgrimage feast, this means hundreds of thousands of people. He heals the paralyzed man at the pool of Bethseda (John 5:2-9), and the rest of the chapter documents his encounter with the Pharisees. (John 5:9-47)

 

[visionary]

Everything before John 6:4 is talking about events in the late summer and the very next chapter of John talks about preparations for the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[visionary]

"For it is evident that the three [synoptic] evangelists recorded only the deeds done by the Saviour for one year after the imprisonment of John the Baptist"

Eusebius of Cesarea, 'History of the Church' (published c.316), III, 24, 8: