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    What or Who is the Church?

    Thats on you !
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    What or Who is the Church?

    What question ?
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    What or Who is the Church?

    Easily, they the same !
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    What or Who is the Church?

    No Im right, you are wrong
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    albion No it doesnt, but it reveals who does save, Jesus Christ is the Saviour. So Faith saves by revealing its object, Jesus Christ, you will be wise to listen Faith is a fruit of the Spirit and it comes by means of the new birth or the sanctifying work of the Spirit Gal 5:22 22 But the...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    It has nothing to do with any offer friend. God justifies on a just ground, the Blood of Christ. The only offering involved was Christ offering His Blood to God for the sins of His People, and that Justified them
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    It is not Faith itself that Justifies the Elect, but God Himself Rom 8:33 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. It is He that Imputes Righteousness unto them on behalf of Christ's Work for them, and that is what Faith has at it's view when God...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Thats incorrect, the saved people were Israel but not the nation of israel. Jacob was Israel and his Spiritual seed before the nation was formulated The nation did, but the people Israel didnt In Gen 3:15 the seed of the woman Only for the nation of Israel, not the people Israel...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Yep the Head of His Body the Church, so if is about Him, its also about His Church, for they are One Sure it does, if the Head was in the OT so was the Body Im good I looked the word build up, and gave you my findings, you dont accept it, fine with me
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    What or Who is the Church?

    You not making sense. John was calling Jesus the bridegroom, Jesus Church the Bride, and John was the friend who hears the bridegrooms voice. John realizes it like how all truth is realized, by revelation of God.
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Yeah and unfortunaetly you wrong about that, they are the same event at the same time, you will see !
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Yes He is the root Yes its the same thing just different words. Yes the Church is Spiritual Israel the elect jews at that time. The elect gentiles is about to join them[the elect jews] thats the Mystery of the Church Correct which is Spiritual elect Israel, but the elect gentiles...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees But it does, even the OT Prophet John realized that Jn 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees He was even then the foundation stone, for the prophets and apostles Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; The OT Prophets spoke of Jesus Christ the foundation Lk 24:47 And beginning at Moses and all...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Paul is first of all contrasting national Israel with Spiritual elect Israel Rom 9:6 and no Israel isnt the root, Christ is the root, the true vine Jn 15 They are not being grafted into the physical nation Israel, but they are being grafted into Jesus Christ who is the root of all the...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees The Church existed in the OT and its foundation was the Lord Jesus Christ even then Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. 1 Cor 3:11...
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    What or Who is the Church?

    lees Hi there, I would disagree with you there. I believe the Church of Christ existed in the OT housed in the nation of Israel, being a remnant according to the election of grace. I believe the good olive tree of Rom 11 sets that forth Rom 11:17,24 And if some of the branches be broken off...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    In the Mind of God ! In the Mind of God , a Person whom Christ died in behalf of is no more Justified after they believe, than they were before they believed, for God's Justification of one does not depend upon the act of man, which believing is, for if we believe not, He remains faithful [to...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    The ungodly Elect are Justified by the blood of Christ alone before God's bar of Justice, before they know of it and embrace it by Faith, and so Rom 5:1 means that God given Faith has now embraced or received the fact of having been afore time Justified by Christ's Blood Rom 5:9 or His Grace...
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    Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

    When Paul teaches that one is Justified by Faith, Rom 5:1, he does not mean as the unfaithful teachers tell us, that one is Justified before God because of our act of faith or of believing, but that God given Faith embraces a Righteousness revealed to it, that was not our own Rom 1:16-17 16 For...
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