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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    No Christ didnt die for everyone, thats a false claim, He died for His Sheep and they shall believe because they have eternal life through His death.
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    In that case Christ didnt die for you, they believe not because they were not His Sheep He lay His life down for Jn 10:26 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Faith to believe in Christ is given only to the Sheep He died for
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Believing is a active verb, a work
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    No its not, not initially. The elect had it prospectively b4 they believed, and was why they believed Acts 13:48 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. What came first, them having been...
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    Some have been ordained to condemnation from of old Jude 1:4,13 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 13...
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    Objective Salvation is Salvation, and sin has been taken away objectively, so the world of Jn 1:29 is saved, cant be everyone without exception. You dont need Faith to be objectively saved, for your sin to be taken away.
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    @BruceLeiter Nothing changes
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    Some have been appointed to disobedience 1 Pet 2:8 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. Disobedience to the Gospel of Christ. Peter writes of them who obey not the Gospel 1 Pet 4:17...
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    It may suggest that to you, I dont know since Im not and others arent you. Howevr scripture states than man naturally doesnt desire, seek, crave the True God Rom 3:11 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    @Frankj That is correct, and that for Gods own good pleasure
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    Those who were appointed to wrath were never objects of Gods Love, but conversely objects of His Hatred Rom 9:13 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Ps 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. I believe this hatred for the...
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    Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

    1 Thess 5:9-10 . 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. I believe this means that the ones appointed to wrath, Christ didnt die for them. Who are they...
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    Oh no, the people of Jn 1:29 are saved, no sin, no death.
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    Did Christ die for them that are perishing ?

    No you dont, u just think you do friend.
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    Thats false it has nothing to do with the people wants,its what Gods Justice dictates, the transaction was between the Lamb of God and God the Just Judge. So only thing left is to tell everyone of that world the good news of their forgiveness of sins, hence Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you...
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    The world of Jn 1:29 has complete forgiveness of sin, and the cancellation of any due punishment for sin. The world here also doesnt mean all individuals of mankind, for we know many have died with their sins charged to them, the second death awaits them, but world means that this great lamb...
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    Lol, its simple, the world of Jn 1:29 doesnt have any sin charged to it, its a saved world. See death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23 but now if sin has been taken away,so has death for sin, thats salvation from death and sin.
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    Universal Atonement - Part 2

    Jn 1:29 that scripture confirms limited atonement in that its of a world that has its sin taken away, so its a saved world, and a saved world is limited to the saved. Rev 21:23-24 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten...
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    Did Christ die for them that are perishing ?

    Made Righteous by His Faithfulness/Obedience ! 3 Please notice again in Romans 12:3 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Yes receiving is a work, its something you did. It doesnt matter if the work was enabled to do by the Spirit, that makes it a work of righteousness, and we not saved by works of righteousness Titus 3:5 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us...
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