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"As many as were ordained to eternal life, believed". This sentence might also be viewed as communicating, "The thing that distinguished those who were appointed to eternal life from those who were not, was their belief".
They're both wrong, because neither of them is seeing the full picture. "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of the Father, who gives generously to ALL who ask, without reproach". 2,000 years and we still can't determine whether or not we have a choice to believe? This should be Basic...
OK, both of you guys have looked at this seeming conundrum and come to two disparate conclusions. Obviously, either only one of you is right, or you're both wrong.
Both of you clearly are very familiar with God's word, write with intelligence and lucidity, and are adamant in your respective...
This one's a favorite with the predestination folks, and understandably so. It seems to clearly communicate a sequence:
1 - Some people are first 'appointed' to eternal life.
2 - As a consequence of that initial appointment, they then 'believe'.
Do all people believe? No. Apparently...
Depends on who you ask. There should be consensus among Christians as God's spirit (the counselor, the Spirit of truth, who will teach you all things) brings us all into agreement, but...
Obviously, we have a problem with that process. The Flesh is dense and stubborn.
Ah, don't remind me...
Thank you. I consider myself as being somewhere around my mid thirties, and (thank you, Lord) pretty much still feel and function at a similar level. My parents were the same.
Nevertheless, it can't be too much longer til I kick the old bucket, but that's OK...
Ah, ask a simple question, get a massively complex and endless battle instead. But it's a Christian forum, where confusion and conflict are rampant, nothing new there.
The death penalty takes away any future opportunity of that person that is put to death ever coming to christ. Who knows...
Incessant doubt about the validity of my own faith. I don't trust myself and am constantly asking God to lead me into all truth... but am I truly sincere in that request, or is it just an elaborate game to evade that truth??????????
Absolutely agree, tango, naivety and ignorance of the true nature of what the performers are ultimately doing to themselves plays a big part in it as well; they're groomed and coerced by both their handlers and our current society into thinking it's no big deal. Until the emptiness starts...
Doubt that you'll get much response from this. Most Christians seem to bury the immensely destructive problem of porn and it's attendant self-pleasuring under a blanket of embarrassment and sense of impropriety, and turn away from this pervasive issue.
But gorging on food at the fellowship...
Yup, some "get it" fast, most don't. Took me over 30 years of going through something similar to what you, Lucian, are struggling with now.
This "seek and you will find" thing is a lifelong process, kind of like detoxing from the death-based old self while gradually rebuilding your new self...
Again - take a 1985 model PC, interface it with a current-model supercomputer and try to access and make sense of the massive flood of info that will overwhelm the little guy's circuitry... the '85 'puter won't have any chance of processing the stuff coming at it before it explodes into a...
Lucian - your frustration with the seeming incongruity between the absolute holiness and infinite power of God as presented in the scriptures, and the seeming ineptness and coldness of a God who, though perfect in omnipotence, nevertheless somehow manages to lose a third of His angels as well...
Bruce - if you read all of brightflame's posts, you will understand that he is proclaiming that Jesus allowed himself to be crucified as a sacrifice for SOME people, not ALL people... that God indeed hates most people, and desires their eternal destruction in hell, as salvation is only made...
Secret Providence article 7th is I think is one place he writes about it but surely you're aware of the well-known Calvinist precept of Gods revealed will as opposed to his hidden will. It's a basic thing of Calvinism.
Calvin defends it by declaring that we have no right to dare to...
Calvin says God has both a revealed Will, and a "secret" Will.
His revealed Will is that everyone, everywhere, even the wicked, would come to repentance and be saved - His secret Will however, is that only a small percentage of those people will ever be able to come to repentance, because God...
Brightflame is saying all nations, yes... but not all of the people from those nations.
So maybe, what do you surmise, brightflame - somewhere between 1% - 10% from all humanity would be among those God has elected to salvation? Ergo, 90% - 99% are doomed to damnation and hell, without any...