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  1. Albion

    Do angels have wings or something we painted on them ?

    I believe I've read you saying this before. It is the traditional Christian line-up, however, and those different choirs are indeed referred to in Scripture.. But that doesn't matter, since it wasn't mentioned by me in hopes of settling the 'wings vs no wings' controversy. It was a response to...
  2. Albion

    Do angels have wings or something we painted on them ?

    All of those are choirs of angels, not just the 9th group in the list called simply "angels." 1:Seraphim 2:Cherubim 3:Thrones 4.Dominations 5.Virtues 6.Powers 7.Principalities 8.Archangels 9.Angels
  3. Albion

    Do angels have wings or something we painted on them ?

    All the angels referred to individually in Scripture were males, so this is the image that has prevailed. However, it's also generally understood that angels are spirits and are not divided by gender as we think of in the case of humans.
  4. Albion

    Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    Check. We promise to take note that such is your own belief, that you're sticking to it, and that you feel the need to say it often.
  5. Albion

    Why The Wise Men?

    There seems to be an unwillingness here to accept that the divine plan was for him to come in lowliness to an obscure and scorned people and to die a common criminal's death although he was innocent of any wrongdoing. Deliberately. And then in due time, and as the Bible says, the Second Coming...
  6. Albion

    Why The Shepherds?

    You think, then, that having the townsmen acclaim the newborn child was what God intended?? See my previous post.
  7. Albion

    Why The Shepherds?

    Why not? We have good reason for thinking that the site of Jesus' birth, an unimposing stable or cave mainly used by animals, was located somewhat away from the city and the inn that we're told had no room for Joseph and Mary, etc. However, the bigger reason may be symbolic. The newborn king...
  8. Albion

    What is the origins of Christmas?

    In the sense that the Christians were willing to put their own holiday up as competition against that one of the pagans, maybe. The early Christians didn't shrink from doing that and would probably consider it weird when modern people say that to do so must necessarily mean that they were...
  9. Albion

    Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    Error doesn't become more legitimate by being repeated a number of times.
  10. Albion

    Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    All that's here is Mary stating that she was a virgin at the time of the Annunciation. So, there's no vow of any sort; and her comment does not refer to her being a virgin in the future. There is no dispute about the meaning of her remarks there. It means that she did not understand how she...
  11. Albion

    Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    Where does the Bible say that Mary made a vow such as you are claiming? Nowhere. And you ask about Luke 1:34. You ask me to explain its meaning if there were no vow. Okay; here is the verse-- "He has taken note of me even though I am not considered important. From now on all people will call...
  12. Albion

    Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    There was no vow.
  13. Albion

    Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    She didn't. Almost all Bible versions have the verse saying basically the same thing: "He has taken note of me even though I am not considered important. From now on all people will call me blessed." There is no "vow" at all in that response and certainly no reference to virginity.
  14. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    So, it isn't infused into an infant by baptism or in any other way. Yes, promises. I think there's wide acceptance of the idea that God works in baptism.
  15. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    Some people (and churches) do speak of the process as one in which Grace working towards Faith amounts to the same thing as saying that Baptism confers Faith. I don't think that's quite right. We receive Grace which can lead to Faith, but there's no guarantee that an infant who is baptized...
  16. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    I should think that everyone could agree to that statement as it is written here. Baptist types think only those who've had a conversion experience are eligible for baptism, and traditional Christians who do believe in baptizing infants and small children don't suppose that it conveys faith.
  17. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    You gave us all the facts, so there isn't much "opinion" to be involved.
  18. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    Not likely. You probably should have been considering a new pastor at that point rather than being swept up in his praise of your child who, I am sure, was bright for his age but still did not have an adult understanding of the Incarnation, the two natures of Christ, Redemption, etc. Substitute...
  19. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    I am aware of churches which baptize 9 and 10 year olds in the belief that they are old enough to make a commitment or to have had a "conversion experience" as is expected of an ordinary adult. You have advised me that you've witnessed 4 year olds being baptized...and these are supposed to be...
  20. Albion

    Is infant baptism from the Bible?

    Swell, but that's not what we've been debating. I've explained this. For one, the belief that sins after baptism cannot be forgiven is the probable explanation for these men not being baptized until later in life. For another, you keep referring to the "norm," but the norm doesn't prove...
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