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  1. Arsenios

    Discussion of a Foundational "Evangelical" Teaching

    Pedrito - I know I am not MC, but it occurred to me to do a simple Bible word search to see what might show up related to your request for 24 passages, which seemed to me tedious when I first read it... So I will give you 3, and you can figure out what term I searched... I found one thousand...
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    Grace

    Theosis is a pre-Incarnational as well as post-Incarnation event... It is what Salvation in the Old Testament means... Moses had it... Paul in Hebrews give a glorious list of the giants of faith who had it... It is not restricted historically to the time after Christ's Incarnation... Christ...
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    Grace

    I will be inter :) Well then, nothing obscure about THAT!! Personally, I might add, I find God's giving of Himself being given as totally obscure... You obviously have a clarity in which I am lacking then... :) The Incarnation makes that Gift possible... Why? It existed in the...
  4. Arsenios

    Grace

    Uncreated Grace IS God Himself, but NOT God's Essence... Otherwise we would BE God Himself if we received it... Created Grace is, I should think, God's Providence... The Helps God affords to us to direct us to Him... Psa 82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the...
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    Grace

    I live in a profound simplicity, my Brother... Definitions are simple tools... The definition given is not coherent... It is indeed self-contradictory... We can move on... Arsenios
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    Grace

    Continuing your article:Theological points on grace {{3}} This is all about a category of creation called "sanctifying grace"??? Monsignor Piolanti would seem to agree... Arsenios
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    Grace

    Here is the reply that launched this thread: _____________________________________________ MC, does this make any sense at all to you? The Catholic Dictionary states: there are three forms of uncreated grace: THEN all three are created graces But the gift conferred on a creature is...
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    Salvation

    The mustard seed of the Faith (of Christ) can sure grow into a tree with birds nesting in it... We emerge from the Bapismal Waters of Regeneration as babes in Christ... And we grow in Faith becoming ever more mature, perfecting in us the Gift God gave us... We do NOT hide our Talent in the...
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    Salvation

    The mustard seed of the Faith (of Christ) can sure grow into a tree with birds nesting in it... Arsenios
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    Salvation

    Mustard seeds do grow if planted in well watered and fertile soil... Repentance with tears is a good thing for the humble humus of our scorched-earth souls... Arsenios
  11. Arsenios

    Salvation

    Thank-you... Would it help if I were to write: "Only God ALONE can save you."? That is one reason I did not write that God is the Cause of our Salvation... Permit me to rephrase for clarity... "God Alone is your Savior..." Nothing you do can save you... Nothing you believe... No work...
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    Salvation

    Is it not God Who Saves? YOUR faith CANNOT save you... ONLY God CAN save you... And it begins with God's Call to Repentance unto Baptism and Justification therein... Arsenios
  13. Arsenios

    Salvation

    There is maturity in faith, and there is immaturity in faith... There are levels of maturity... There is living faith and there is dead faith... The Parable of the Sower comes to mind... The world seeks to devour the Sower's Seeds... Which is why our doing of the works of faith is so...
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    Salvation

    James was addressing the same misunderstandings of Paul that we are finding here on this forum... If you claim faith and do not do the works of the faith you claim, you do not have the faith you claim... But James goes further, because he writes that the works of faith are perfecting the faith...
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    Salvation

    Here was the initial query: Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post First from CatholicCulture [INDENT][I]Catholic Dictionary Term UNCREATED GRACE Definition God himself, insofar as in his love has predetermined gifts of grace. there are three forms of...
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    Salvation

    I did that line by line and the result was no comprehension because I had not mentioned why grace was deemed created - eg that it had a beginning in time in the person receiving it... So now I ask why that would make it created... And I am still not understood... We can let it go... Arsenios
  17. Arsenios

    Salvation

    I wish I knew how to make it more clear... Your catechism tells us that the same saving grace is both created and uncreated depending on how one looks at it... Why does it teach this? eg To what purpose? Theology being practical, that is... Arsenios
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    Salvation

    I will let my dyslexic friend answer you: They mean it is doG! Arsenios
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    Salvation

    Of course! I mean, I do not have a spare God up my sleeve! And if YOU find one there, kill me quick! We are not Baptized INTO the incarnate Christ, but into the Risen Christ... As Christ said to Mary of 7 demons, "Do not be touching me, for I have not yes ascended to My Father..." So the...
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    Salvation

    I winced listening to him sneer his way through the presentation... Tone of voice alone would account for thousands of the children of that church becoming Buddhists, I say! So I sniffed a tad, and found another pastor attacking Hank... He said that the only issue is the question: "Are we...
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