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The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Faith suffers no such unclarity...
God wants us to totally expend ourselves for the sake of His Kingdom...
This expenditure does not earn earn God's Salvation...
The Gift of Salvation is God's Giving Himself...
For which cause He caused to be written:
Thou...
Deu 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God
with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul,
and with all thy might.
Your argument is not with me...
Arsenios
Look, it is one thing to receive the Call of God and turn to repentance and Baptism into Christ...
Mine was not that kind of an encounter...
Mine was more like an Old Testament Salvation...
Yet it came utterly outside normal "channels" of Grace...
I so scorned Christians that I KNEW for an...
Just the event of my own encounter with God qua God, where I who had been an intellectual's intellectual, had my whole world turned upside down, inside out, and backwards, in less than 4 seconds, where it has remained to this day and hour... And not long after THAT encounter, I happened to...
We all need Baptism...
We need Christ to Baptize us through the hands of His servants in His Body, the Church...
We need Christ's Baptism, and Christ was Baptized in the Waters of the Jordan which was the boundary of the Promised Land which God gave to His Chosen ones...
Salvation has...
Our Bishop was walking through the airport terminal alone one day, with his Bishop's Crown in a 6-sided carrying case... And of course, the TSA wanted to know what was in the case... So he opened it...
TSA - Would you remove what is in the case so we can see it sir?
And he did...
And TSA's...
That is not how God set it up - It IS a Gift, and God Calls us to repentance, Justifies the repentant in Baptism, and Glorifies those Baptized who are overcoming demonic powers and principalities... These are what God set us to do in order that He give us His Gift of Salvation...
The two are...
NOTHING created even CAN MERIT the Un-Created GOD Who created creation...
No thing can merit God...
God does Justify human righteousness...
God does not Justify human evil-doing...
One CANNOT STEAL God from God...
THAT is WHY it is a GIFT, and not wages...
Arsenios
Looks like you did some pretty serious and extensive study...
Have you ever met one of these blessed ones?
When something cannot be expressed in words
Nor be comprehended in thought,
It is a good place to stop...
Actually, we may not...
This is the problem with Scholastic Theology...
Sigh...
This is becoming tedious...
You do the works...
God does the Salvation...
"Of God the Gift..."
You are repeatedly grinding a little toy axe...
Closing your eyes with cut and paste...
Adult conversation is a good thing...
Doing the same thing over and over expecting different...
Joh 21:20-22
Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following;
which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, "Lord, wh0 is he that betrayeth thee?"
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus,
"Lord, and what of this man?
Jesus saith unto him,
"If I will that he tarry...
This catechism seems to have included theosis in it...
In 2014...
Now, do you have any personal accounts of its occurrence?
Padre Pio is the last I have heard of...
Are there more since him?
And accounts of what it looks like?
Do you have it being referred to prior to AD 2000?
And where in...
"Destroy this Temple and I will rebuild it in three days..."
The Temple is the Body of Christ, and we are members of that Body...
The Ekklesia is not merely anthrophic - (human)
It is Theanthropic... It is Christ - His Body on earth now...
The Naos, Temple, is our flesh...
Arsenios
This is today's Epistle Reading...
The issue is not whether or not we sin, but whether or not we decide to commit sin... We will always be sinning by omission, in ignorance, and unintentionally, on a disturbingly regular basis - In word and in deed... The desecration of the Temple comes when...
Orthodox Christians pray for the same...
That their dead be loosed from their sins...
That they find repose with the Just...
"The prayer of a righteous one availeth much..."
And I don't know about you-all, but when I pray for another, wonderful things happen...
When I pray for myself, not...
The doctrine of Theosis is Orthodox - It is not a part of any other Confession... It is our Treasury...
It is about the Deification of the Holy Ones of God, the Saints...
It means the possession by Grace of that which Christ possessed by Nature...
It is not given to many...
It is the Gift...
An elder was asked why the Orthodox are so committed to doing a lot of works in the course of their lives, beginning with denial of self, proceeding to taking up one's cross after Baptism into Christ, and culminating in the Glorification of them by God at the end of this successful...
Here is how it is done on Mt. Athos:
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"For He hath remembered that we are dust..."
Arsenios
There is nothing in this that addresses the issue of sequentiality...
Where God alone Justifies PRIOR to Him Glorifying but AFTER Him Calling...
And the differences of those three actions...
And their relational interconnectedness...
All in the context of the Salvation of fallen man...
If...