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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    That’s your response? I’ve just shown that 2 Maccabees is NOT saying that their money paid for the sins of their dead soldiers, but rather their money merely paid for the animals to be sacrificed. The money merely provided for the “sin offering” spoken of in Leviticus. This proves that the...
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    Why did Jesus cleanse the temple?

    The money changers were simply selling animalls, so that the people who wanted to come a far distance to Jerusalem didn't have to haul a big animal the whole way. They could just take a bag of money with them, and exchange it for an animal at the temple, and then sacrifice that. So, what's so...
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    Burning fish guts is not practicing magic. The Old Testament talks about plenty of burnt sacrifices that are a pleasing aroma to the Lord. Tobit simply tells us about burning fish guts, and that this particular aroma scares away demons apparently. Nothing about magic there. 2 Maccabees does not...
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    It’s not nonsense. Most people who I know in the Protestant church (I was raised Protestant and still am), they simply won’t read the apocrypha. They stay away from it either because they believe it’s heretical, or because they believe it’s fictional work that the Catholics made up, or they...
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    But teachers today say these books are heretical, teaching false doctrines. This causes people to stay away from them. Most people in the church think these books are works of fiction that Catholics added, rather than what they really are, Jewish books added many years before Christ and accepted...
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    But when you say it’s not divinely inspired, you’re discouraging people from reading it. Most of the early churches were taught by the disciples that it’s divine scripture. That’s why they declared it so in the 300’s. Why do you want to discourage people from reading about the holiday Jesus...
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    If Jesus celebrated it, then isn’t it important enough for us to read it?
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    Apocrypha?

    I showed 3 local councils in the 4th century that accepted 1 and 2 Maccabees as scripture. Can you show ONE local council from that time that rejected 1 or 2 Maccabees? Of course there’s the Lone Ranger, Jerome, who said the Maccabees don’t belong. But no councils agreed with him. What...
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    But they say the New Testament provides no verification for apocryphal books. But Jesus celebrated the holiday that comes from Maccabees. If Jesus celebrated Purim, would it really be sensible to say Esther doesn’t belong in the Bible?
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    Did Jesus celebrate a holiday that comes from the apocrypha?

    John 10:22 The Feast of Dedication.
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    Apocrypha?

    You keep saying that I’m ignoring historical facts. Huh? Which early church council rejected the apocryphal books? What in the world? They didn’t have an ecumenical council, but they had multiple local ones. So they still accepted these books and declared them to be scripture. Just because...
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    Apocrypha?

    Wait, what’s historical facts? The fact that multiple church councils declared 1 and 2 Maccabees to be scripture? The council in Rome, in Hippo, and in Carthage? They declared these books to be apart of divine, holy scripture. Can you show me one single church council that rejected these books...
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    Who was tortured?

    But the only thing that fits is 2 Maccabees 7. When he says that there were those who shut the mouths of lions, we know he’s talking about Daniel in the lion’s den. That’s not conjecture. When he says there were those who quenched the flames of fire, we know he’s talking about Shadrach...
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    Apocrypha?

    They did accept them. They may not have had an ecumenical council on it. But they did have multiple local councils, each accepting 1 and 2 Maccabees. You’re just throwing out technicalities that in no way effect the point I’m making.
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    Apocrypha?

    Oh, ok. So they weren’t ecumenical. Oh no. So incriminating. Look, they all declared which books belong in the Bible. And they all agreed upon 1 and 2 Maccabees. Now, did they all agree upon 3 and 4 Maccabees? No. But 1 and 2 they did. So there’s no reason to question those. There’s no way to...
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    Apocrypha?

    When multiple church councils declared Maccabees to be scripture, then we should take that seriously instead of throwing it in the trash. Please show me ONE church council from the 300’s that said Maccabees doesn’t belong. And what do you mean PROVISIONALLY?
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    Apocrypha?

    I said that the early church declared Maccabees to be scripture. You said they did not. Then I showed the specific instances when they did. Yes, the Catholic Church removed 3 and 4 Esdras. What’s that got to do with Maccabees? The early church declared Maccabees to be scripture.
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    Apocrypha?

    You said they’re not important.
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    Apocrypha?

    Yes, they did. Council of Rome, 382 AD. Council of Hippo, 393 AD. Council of Carthage 397 AD. Learn your history.
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    Apocrypha?

    Almost the whole entire chapter of Daniel 8 is fulfilled in Maccabees. Almost the whole entire chapter of Daniel 11 is fulfilled in Maccabees. The holiday Jesus celebrated in John 10:22 commemorated the Maccabees. Paul mentioned the events in Maccabees in Hebrews 11:35. Tell me how it’s not...
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