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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    You’re right. It has veered off topic. Some of the most amazing and clearest Messianic prophecies I’ve ever read are in the book of 2 Esdras. Have you read it? It’s really cool. I made a video showing it:
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    The Jews are the ones who added these books to the Bible in the centuries BEFORE the time of Christ. They’re Jewish books, not Catholic books. THEY created the Greek Septuagint. That’s why the very first Christians accepted them. But AFTER the time of Christ, the Jewish rabbis took them out...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Jerome just said it for no reason with nothing causing him to think that? I mean, this is basic common sense. If 3 councils in the 380’s and 390’s declared Judith and the rest of the apocryphal books to be divine canonical scripture, and Jerome says that the Nicene council decided that Judith...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_preface_judith.htm
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    2 Esdras is also pretty amazing in the way it points to the Messiah
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Yes, Wisdom 2 is a REALLY good example of a prophetic book pointing to the Messiah.
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    You don’t have any evidence of your own to counteract these things. If Jerome thought the Nicene council accepted Judith as scripture, then there has to be a reason why he thought that. My best guess is that this is what he was told by the church leadership who demanded that he include it in...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    I’m glad someone else agrees
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    How long were the Israelites in Egypt?

    Exodus says 430 years. But when I add up the ages, there’s not enough to equal 430. Then in other places it says 400. I’m confused. Any ideas?
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    It sounds to me that Jerome wanted to exclude the books that he called apocrypha, because the Jews told him that these books don’t belong. But the church authorities required him to include them, apparently because they had reason to believe the council of Nicaea accepted those books as...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Exactly. Oh, it was just the west. Oh, wait, no, the east still has them. Oh, and so does the south, down in the Coptic church in Egypt. Oh, and even further south in Ethiopia, they still have them. But it was just the west. Yea.
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Yet for some reason Jerome stated that the council of Nicaea found Judith to be holy scripture. Why did he think that? St. Jerome, The Preface on the Book of Judith: English translation
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Yes, you’re right. Pope Damascus presided over the council of Rome in 382, not Nicaea. He’s the one who commissioned Jerome to make a new latin translation. I believe Jerome wanted to remove the books he called apocrypha, but the church leadership required him to include them, so he submitted...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    The council of Nicaea said nothing of the canon of scripture. But 3 other local councils later in the same century declared those books to be divine canonical scripture. Is it therefore logical to assume that the whole entire council at Nicaea rejected the apocryphal books? And is it logical to...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Yes, I know the council of Nicaea didn’t discuss the canon of scripture. Thank you for pointing that out. I was saying that Eusebius attended the council, and he would have a fairly good grasp on what the early church believed. So when Eusebius said that the churches around the world used the...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Actually my personal beliefs have nothing to do with it. The Bible says Abraham was old and full of years. FULL of years. That’s not my opinion. That’s what the Bible says. But if Heber was still chugging away at 460 at the time of Abraham’s death, then that would mean that Abraham did not...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Go ahead and think that if you want. The point I was making is that Augustine’s quote that you provided is not representative of all the rest of the early church. The fact that so many in the early church defended the LXX chronology, this shows that it’s not just a loony conspiracy theory from...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Nope. Wrong again. Incredulity has nothing to do with it. It has to do with believing what the Bible says. The Bible says Abraham died Old and full of years. This means that 175 really is an old age in Abraham’s day. But if there’s a 460 year-old man still alive at this time, then 175 is not an...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    But it wasn’t just Eusebius who defended the Septuagint’s chronology in Genesis 11, in regards to the inclusion of the 650 years. Africanus also agreed with the Septuagint. He lived in the 3rd century. Theophilus also agreed with the Septuagint’s numbers. He lived in the 2nd century. And then...
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    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Did you say that Origen affirms the SAME Old Testament list that we know today? If that’s the case, then why does Origen call 2 Maccabees “holy scripture”? Origen de Principiis book 2 ch 1.5 (185- 254ad) "But that we may believe on the authority of holy Scripture that such is the case, hear...
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