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    Double Predestination

    Since I have been criticized for the narrow scope of only referencing R.C.Sproul in the opening posts, let me offer something on the Predestination by the 19th Century 5 point Calvinist Charles Spurgeon: A Sermon (No. 241) Delivered on Sabbath Morning, March 6th, 1859, by the REV. C.H. SPURGEON...
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    Double Predestination

    Josiah Can you define "Limited Atonement" for me? (I thought that it had almost nothing to do with 'Predestination', but you keep coming back to it as critical to Double Predestination.)
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    God says "You cannot see my face"

    ... And maybe, sometimes "body" and "blood" mean bread and wine. [sorry, I couldn't resist] :friends:
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    Double Predestination

    Free will is a really 'interesting' phrase. The problem tends to be that everyone has their own personal idea and definition of what that means. Let's have some fun. Some people say "free will" means that I can do whatever I want with absolutely no limitations. At one extreme, they believe...
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    Double Predestination

    Is there any salvation apart from predestination? (Can someone not-predestined be saved, or did God 'foreknow' and 'predestine' (Romans 8:29-30) all whom he would ultimately 'glorify'?) If the answer is 'no' ... if God foreknew and predestined all that he would glorify ... then those NOT...
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    Double Predestination

    The first few posts completely covered the Topic ... The issue is that NOBODY here teaches Double Predestination "is about God electing most people to eternally fry in hell in accord with His heart's desire and because God does not love them and Christ did not die for them." That just leaves...
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    Prove That Sunday Is The Christian Sabbath

    I can't ... will you settle for 'proof' that he did all those things on 'Sunday'? We are all in agreement that (1) thru (4) all apply to the LAST day of the week, correct? Here is a calendar: Notice that the FIRST day of the week on this calendar is 'Monday' and the last day is 'Sunday'...
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    God says "You cannot see my face"

    Commentary of David Guzik (Exo 33:21-23) How God will protect Moses when God passes before Moses. And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand...
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    Double Predestination

    STOP JUMPING AROUND! You are making me dizzy. Single vs Double Predestination is semantics. Limited Atonement: is a real difference based on where Calvinists and Lutherans draw the mystery and speculate. Where you say "We don't know." and Calvinist say "From what scripture says, we can...
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    Double Predestination

    I can't speak for anyone else but me, but I would not have forced the conclusion "so you agree that God predestines some to damnation" into your mouth. First, it is not a conclusion that is unavoidable from a simple 'no', it is just one of several possibilities. Second, I do not believe...
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    Double Predestination

    No, I think my position is closer to those terms are thrown around, poorly defined or defined incorrectly, and there are real differences (because Calvinists are willing to speculate to move the mystery, while Lutherans refuse to accept unavoidable logical consequences. Just a quick response...
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    Double Predestination

    R.C. Sproul died this year and his discussion of the topic in the first few posts says as much. There are Reformed Theologians from the 1500's on that agree with this, it is the historic Orthodox Reformed view. Lutherans and "Calvinists" seem to mostly trip over semantics. But the short...
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    What does God's Sovereignty mean?

    So which is it? God is "only talking about the nation of Israel" in chapter 9 (and none of the lessons of Romans 9 apply to us), or "God shows no favoritism" and the lessons about Isreal are "for all people". I am confused on your position. (but at least we are only discussing Chapter 9...
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    Double Predestination

    You avoided really answering my question. However, to answer your challenge ... it is an argument of semantics. What you and Biermann call "Single Predestination", Reformed Theology calls "Positive-negative Double Predestination". Both terms mean that God is responsible for 100% of the people...
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    Double Predestination

    Does that question need God to answer? It it possible that God can have worked a miracle and saved someone, yet the saved end up in damned? They slipped from his hand? (Isaiah 43:13; John 10:28-29) Jesus failed in his promise to raise them on the last day? (John 6:44) Lutherans refuse to...
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    Double Predestination

    "Never trust a man who only knows one way to spell a word." :ewink: OK, my bad. That's what I get for posting from a computer without a spellchecker.
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    Double Predestination

    One general comment. It was stated on another thread that Lutherans do not follow Martin Luther as their ultimate authority, they follow Jesus and his scriptures. The same statement needs to be made with respect to John Calvin and Reformed Theology. The writings of Calvin are interesting and...
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    Double Predestination

    You had me watch that in another thread, but I watched it again. "Every time a person comes to faith, God has worked a miracle." - Dr. Biermann Is there any way to avoid the fact that any time a person dies in their sin, God has not worked a miracle?
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    Double Predestination

    Does Calvin claim God's choosing of the 'damned' is done in the same active way as Calvin claims God chooses the saved? That is what you and Josiah are implying. I claim that there is a difference between positive-positive predestination and positive-negative predestination that you are...
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    Double Predestination

    R.C. Sproul, who just died, was a pretty influential LIVING Reformed Theologian and defender of "Calvinism". Did you read what he wrote? I posted it to the first few posts. Neither Sproul nor I nor do any non-Heretic Calvinists believe that God "equally and proactively in the same sense...
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