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  1. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Looks like a whole lot of effort just to avoid the obvious meaning of water. The water is water and the Spirit is the Spirit. The water doesn't need to be converted to symbolism. Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Get...
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    Now, For Something Completely Different

    Perhaps it is implied in the name Christian?
  3. MoreCoffee

    the meaning of Baptism

    You're not assaulting anything. You're just having a bit of a rant about nothing. Like I said earlier this thread is about the meaning of baptism it is not about "is MoreCoffee saved".
  4. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    so "fire and Spirit" means "Spirit" and "water and Spirit" means "Spirit"? I don't think that is good exegesis :)
  5. MoreCoffee

    the meaning of Baptism

    Meh.
  6. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    well then if Acts 2 is the baptism with fire and Spirit we need look no further. But how does that relate to being born from above by water and the Spirit?
  7. MoreCoffee

    Now, For Something Completely Different

    Give people an opportunity to split and they almost always will.
  8. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Supernatural (spiritual too) does not mean that it is not natural fire. But let's assume for the sake of discussion that the flames were not "literal fire". Where's any baptism that was fire & spirit?
  9. MoreCoffee

    Now, For Something Completely Different

    :smirk: we all have baptism, except for Salvation Army people, but it's obvious that we can't agree on what baptism is.
  10. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    The tongues of fire appeared to be 'literal fire' didn't they?
  11. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Of course there are commentaries that take a baptist view they are written by baptists.
  12. MoreCoffee

    What are you eating? - Part 2

    Excellent :)
  13. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Didn't the Holy Spirit come upon Jesus when he was baptised?
  14. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    I do not think it is. "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" does not seem to be about "natural birth". It's about being born from above and that is supernatural is it not?
  15. MoreCoffee

    the meaning of Baptism

    The view of baptism presented in my posts is 2,000 years old. It is current. It is current because it is also true today as it was true two thousand years ago.
  16. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Well, Nicodemus was 30 AD not 600 AD. It's evident that Nicodemus didn't know any idiom that made "water and the Spirit" comprehensible to him. That's why he was critiqued by Jesus as an ignorant "teacher of Israel".
  17. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Okay :)
  18. MoreCoffee

    the meaning of Baptism

    The truth is that most Christians do not hold the views that you hold on baptism.
  19. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    It proves one thing at least. The view I posted in the first post of this thread is not unique to Anglicans. Presbyterians share it. Catholics and Orthodox have a similar view. In fact the Christians holding to the kind of interpretation presented by Albert Barnes is the majority Christian view...
  20. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Do you read Hebrew? The link is to a document in Hebrew.
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