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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    That may be your preferred topic but the topic of this thread is A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.
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    Mary the ark

    That attribution of motives does not sound right. Mary is regarded as the ark of the new covenant because of passages in scripture, one of which is this: And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple. And there were lightnings and voices and an...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    The definition that you've given is not how the word is used in scripture. ἀπόλλυμι apóllumi or apolúō; fut. apolésō, 2d aor. apōlómēn, perf. apolṓleka, 2d perf. apólōla, mid. fut. apoloúmai, from apó (G575) an intens., the mid. óllumi (n.f.), to destroy. The force of apó here is away...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You will die, will you not? When you say "perish" are you thinking of the last judgement? But when the Son of man will have arrived in his majesty, and all the Angels with him, then he will sit upon the seat of his majesty. And all the nations shall be gathered together before him. And he shall...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Because all have sinned. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into this world, and through sin, death; so also death was transferred to all men, to all who have sinned. For even before the law, sin was in the world, but sin was not imputed while the law did not exist. Yet death reigned...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    In Protestantism, "since the 17th Century, there have been TWO views on this". The Catholic Church has had a single view about Christ being the one who, "takes away the sin of the world", for a very long time.
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    #1 is not what the passage says. The passage says that one is Jesus' friend if one obeys his commandments. If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love: as I also have kept my Father's commandments and do abide in his love. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    I do not use it. I am not beholding to these people. I need not conform to their expectations. Besides which, the Catholic Church's view is that scripture expresses itself on this matter in the vocabulary that Catholics use. So, it is not a Catholic Church problem when people from some religion...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    What statements would those be?
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Alas, the one word that has always been at the root of errors of almost every kind.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:16-17...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    The evidence of your posts implies that you believe your theology first and then alter scripture to make it fit your theology. You say world cannot mean world in John 1:29 and insist that it must mean the elect. You say that 1 John 2:2 cannot mean "the whole world" as it says, you say it must...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You will not believe, because your theology blinds you. - a paraphrase of the words you are so keen to apply to Pharisees.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You must come clean, and speak the truth. The verse you have made so much of in your claims does not say what you claim it says. It is not a condemnation of the Pharisees, it is a comment made to the Jews and the same passage tells us that some of the Jews believed what Jesus had said. This is...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Your discourtesy tells more about you than it does about God.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You want it to be Pharisees rather than the Jews, the former suits your theology so you force the bible to fit your idea and refuse to let the scriptures say what they say. John 10:26 is addressed to the Jews. You deny it by your words, and your "signature". It tells a story about you, but says...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You are not sorry. Take a look at the location in chapter 9, take a look at the location in chapter 10. There is movement. And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Same crowd, not same people addressed. Take a closer look.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Different chapter, different listeners.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled that God's love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."410 He affirms that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many"; this last term is not...
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