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Btw, if someone knows someone preaching somewhere saying 'go fornicate, youre saved',
can you please send them our way so we can have a little chat?
Either we straighten them out, (or else we find out they're right and lets all go fornicatin' !) Dont think so, tho)
Really, who are these ppl...
Oy! More examples of misunderstandings. I'm not saying by jsimms435 here ....
But ....
The 3 verses in the OP are often pulled out of context, isolated, and used to preach fear and works righteousness about as much as any passage in scripture, and so often lead to the type of uncertainty and...
Im wondering if progress will ever be made in theses types of chatforums, bc alot of ppl are pretty well locked into their way of seeing things, and probably think they're trying to help others 'see the light'.
There's also the misunderstanding factor...the differences in trying to understand...
Yeah, acts of kindness my...eye. Glad Im wearing my high boots today.
Dont do me any favors, ok, and please dont chop up my posts. There are already too many re-quoted half-posts where ppl have chopped up what others say and try to setup strawmen or somehow alter ppls meanings.
I write what I...
Well, since you sliced a portion from my post (another example of THAT, eh?)
And you either didnt understand the question (or chose not to)
And you just now seem to have set yourself up as an official spokesperson for the RomanCatholic denomination.... Why, considering all the false doctrines...
(sorry for a bit of a sidetrack...but re: predestination, etc....)
Why would anyone take seriously, or like or approve of anything that comes from staunch practioners/defenders of the RomenCatholic denomination? They have so many teachings that go against Gods way of salvation, they basically...
Too many.
Jesus is always there? What does that even mean? Where? In the abomination they call the monstrance? The candle lighting? The graven images and statues/idols?
And you say thruout the MASS? And the GOSPEL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE?? REALLY? Have we lost all discernment? Which gospel...
So important ... Mercy and justice met at the cross ..... However, your next post...↓
I think there have been enough red flags about DH's church that all most of us here are recommending he find another.
(Personally, Id be running, but I understand its not always easy.)
But isnt the dilemma you...
1st John↑
It does say 'brother' there, doesn't it, so it would seem that there's a distinction, and we're supposed to know, not just assume? I guess the question is, ... On what basis?
Ive heard the expression 'separated brethren' used by RomanCatholics about others (non-RCics?) So I guess they...
In posts #57 and #58 I thought you were saying it WAS about salvation?
Even so, all these different catagories and labels and boxes ppl ... 'christians' ... often insist on putting each other (or themselves) in just seem to keep accumulating, and Im not sure what theyre accomplishing. Theres...
This may sound arrogant but I dont mean it to be, but I'm guessing this has been debated for hundreds of years with no definitive answer, and Im starting to wonder how important it really is to have the exact right answer, or will be, in the bigger scheme of things.
Ahhh, it took reading two diff posts, but I think I saw the misunderstanding.
I had said God is not obligated, but He gives it anyway.
And you thought I said God gives it away.
I even misread my own post once.
But I was saying He gives it (His grace) ANYWAY, (despite not being obligated)
Not...
yes you did, didnt you. :cheer2: and since I was in the process of typing and then was distracted and pulled away for a bit and then returned to typing and then submitted my post i was not aware that you had answered in the interum was I but I suppose I could have checked and then come back to...
This one's pretty easy, if you dont mind me jumping in on it, young brother.
Grace: God giving us what we dont deserve.
Mercy: God NOT giving us what WE DO deserve.
They seem similar, but you'll see in all things, gifts or withholdings, grace preceeds them.
We dont deserve salvation...He...
Yes, I know! What is it that I'm writing that is all the sudden being misunderstood as if Im one of the ones here who believes salvation is earned or our works OF ANY KIND has anything to do with being saved?
Has everyone gone nuts? :spinningsmilie: Just kidding jsimms435 . But really, I've...
You said God is not OBLIGATED to give grace. I agreed, He's not OBLIGATED, but He does anyway. (Not bc He's obligated, but bc He chooses to) He's a good good Father. I dont know why you turned it to say God doesnt give it away or that I was somehow demanding that God explains His choices.
I...