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Would you allow that it COULD be a concurrent event for some?
An adult or someone old enough to understand, that is?
That perhaps even while they were in the water, they still hadnt fully understood or maybe they believed but hadnt 'received' in the fullest sense, but when they went under the...
So going by the above definitions, it appears that the Lutheran position supports osas, then, yes no?
Or are the saved 100% saved by God, but He is unable to keep that which He saved?
The opposition to osas kind of reminds me of a Seinfeld episode, where he made a reservation to rent a car at...
You shouldn't.
But Jesus saved me.
Hallelujah! Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift!
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an...
WHAT is?
It IS?
Since when?
Sounds good!
Some nights Ive tossed and turned and thrashed around like a fish out of water. Woke up exhausted. Lotta work. :faint:
(Get up...go to church to get some sleep :birgits_giggle:)
(Sometimes a good message on eternal security can put you right...
:pound::love::stars::hearts: :stars::love: :pound:
Hey, no prob. If you wanna run it by me again, hopefully I can answer clearly. :mug:
(Ya never know, tho ... Sometimes I get as confused at my own posts as anybody. :chairfall:)
First one to get the reply part right! God bless you. Yes, the only thing we should really say, and it applies to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, if we're honest, is: "You shouldn't."
It really brings me to tears (again now) when I think about it...
But just tears turn to tears with joy as I think...
There's only one answer (initially) (not so much an answer, but a reply) that we ALL, every one, can and should agree on, if we're honest.
I will give it in another post, ...
I'm curious to see if anyone else is thinking of it and posts it.
When you think of the honest reply, it may bring...
Preach it, brother!
We can follow the rabbit trail back to when someone brought up justification, then an expansion/version of it from a denominations position, some rebuttals and corrections, more denominational turns with implications of what someone elses denomination teaches, corrections to...
Not 'a Catholic response' .. please stop misquoting ppl, and it's dishonest of you.
The standard response from the RomanCatholic practitioners that I know and/or have talked to about this is the "good life" response, as you called it.
It reveals the RC denominations works-righteousness...
Nice to see your version of the assumed Presbyterian response meets with your approval. Somewhat.
The "good life" response as you call it would be the standard and norm for the RomanCatholic practitioners, right? That would be their proper response, right?
'Countless others' was a reference to posts, not ppl in the pews, (tho I admit, my saying 'countless other posts' may have been an exaggeration, lol, I think they all are counted)
And yes, I was initially meaning ppl here that attend churches...I dont blame the ppl in the pews, ~that are also...
I guess it might, if thats where ppl want to go to get their sanctification. I would highly recommend AGAINST going there to find out if a person can lose their salvation, though...Oy! Why are ppl so obsessed with that in the first place?
Jesus saved us by His own blood. We should be rejoicing...