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Are you now perfect? You see, Scripture records that "apart from us they should not be made perfect"... So that WITH us, they should indeed be made perfect... So what does "being made perfect" mean? It does not say that without Christ's Crucifixion they should not be made perfect... It just...

So the Saints of old were NOT made perfect, yes? And today's Saints ARE made perfect, yes? So your idea that the two Salvations are the same thing cannot be true... OTers looking forward and NTers looking backwards is not found in the Bible... Not as a criteria of the difference in Salvation in...

OK - Let's try this differently then: What is this "some better thing" that we have and they did not? How are we perfect when they were not? What do we have that they did not? Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Arsenios

Was Paul? Was Christ? The answer is yes... Arsenios

Encountering Christian Holy Ones is the way early converts came to repentance unto Baptism into Christ and began to run the race set before us... I mean, imagine encountering Paul or Peter or especially John... Arsenios

So if there is no Biblical warrant - eg no explicit policy or law expressed in the Bible - for Believers only Baptism... If there is no minimum age for Baptizing members of believers' households... How can you claim the Bible for your belief in Believers-only Baptism, denying entry of infants...

Well, Menno thinks that a person has a Spiritual experience and is Saved in it, and he calls it the Baptism of the Holy Spirit... This is what the Old Testament Saints knew as well... They did NOT call it the Baptism of the Holy Spirit... Like Menno, they did call it Salvation... I call it...

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Well, fwiw, the Orthodox Faith does not subject its faithful to its "leaders"... Most do not have a Spiritual Father and the parish Priest serves as best he can... Finding a Spiritual Father is a quest of its own... Genuine Spiritual Fathers in the US are few and far between... Indeed, and...

Did the Prodigal Son obey or disobey his father? Did he or did he not need reconciliation? Arsenios

Yes - Only for those very mature in the Faith... In the Churches of the West - Administrative bodies - You are doubtless correct... We are speaking of the Epistle of Paul to the Hebrews... The Mosaic Law is not in view... He is speaking of Christian discipleship... Heb 13:17 Obey them...

God Bless your Mom! The Blessed Virgin was also a virgin AFTER she was married... Says so right there in Holy Writ! Nowhere does it say in Scripture that the Blessed Virgin ever became the FORMER virgin... You are right - Scripture does not tout Her ever-virginity... Christ calls Her Gune -...

You are the only one willing to tackle this issue... Notice the Mountain of Silence engulfing every other poster here on the subject of obedience to those who "HAVE THE RULE OVER YOU"... Obedience to those who have the rule over you is avoided at all costs here in the West as a general rule...

Matt 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the Kingdom of the Heavens. How do you understand this passage? Arsenios

Yes he did, and several sisters as well, and a Mother and a father, Joseph the carpenter... I plainly tells you that Joseph the Carpenter is His father... Do YOU believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of Joseph the Carpenter? IF you do, boy oh boy do I have some Florida real estate for YOU...

By THAT standard, my Dear, YOUR mother was a virgin, and just not a perpetual one... If the Blessed Virgin had marital relations, she was not a virgin... Your argument is that She is a FORMER virgin... IF She is a FORMER virgin, then she is not a virgin, you see... Christ was born of a...

The sound of the death-rattle of pride is the word "obedience"... Is YOUR Church discipling obedience??? How about lowliness? How about poverty of spirit? Arsenios

I think you are the only one to take up the challenge... The word is "OBEDIENCE"... Christ ONLY did, as a man, what God the Father commanded Him to do... Obedience is quintessential denial of self... IF you desire to follow Christ... You MUST find obedience... Discipling entails placing...

The behemothic Orthodox I know, like me for instance, are always complaining that we ourselves are not taking up our crosses... And this on a daily, hourly, and minute by minute basis... Some Russian Saints were so distressed at their negligence that they forged iron chains about their...