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Exactly in referring to my post of Mary’s sinlessness extending it to Job and Enoch but would then require IC.

Are you contending that both Job and Enoch were also Immaculately conceived as BVM was because isn’t that your line of thought for her sinlessness?

Must be because every time I eat tacos I end up in heaven :hungry:

Evidently he did and even I who has a high Mariology for a Protestant can't reconcile her sinlessness and scripture.

Correct, and between the bolded brackets seals St Augustine’s point. St. Augustine We must except the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honour to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin...

Reading/declaring the Psalms out loud has helped me through some tough times.

My wife doesn’t play fair because I didn’t figure it out at first. But if we have a tiff :argue: she plays my favorite songs and before I know it I’m jamming along and forget that we were having a disagreement :friends:

St. Augustine We must except the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honour to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to...

Okay but St Augustine wasn't considered a heretic. He then enumerates those ‘who not only lived without sin, but are described as having led holy lives, -- Abel, Enoch, Melchizedek, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua the son of Nun, Phinehas, Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Joseph, Elisha, Micaiah, Daniel...

Not sure how late we are to go considering the OP asks for the ‘earliest’ church father’s writings on Mary’s sinlessness but here we go. Origen This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one (Homily 1 [A.D. 244]).

Thanks Lamm, could you pm me my login info please :empathy:

I went through the whole thread :hot: and didn’t see this reference posted. If so then I’ll stand corrected. Also, Mary is the new Eve. Eve is a Mary type. If Eve was created without sin and she is the lesser creation, it follows the new Eve (Mary) would be created without sin. The first...

Thanks MC! I did take a break but then I forgot my login information. For some strange reason I thought I’d just look it with my iPad and it logged me in automatically. :dunno:

Thanks Josiah! I was just passing by and saw this. :shake:

Its definitely a complicated subject. On one hand IMO here in the U.S. I think Social security it too low for those folks who’ve paid in all their lives and others that are truly disabled. But then again I’ve lost count how many times I’ve heard of people younger and in better shape than me on SSI.

Its definitely a complicated subject. On one hand IMO here in the U.S. I think Social security it too low for those folks who’ve paid in all their lives and others that are truly disabled. But then again I’ve lost count how many times I’ve heard of people younger and in better shape than me on SSI.

I’ve been meaning to start listening to audio books, I should check this out.

Lol, I don’t listen to anything while driving either and it drives my passengers crazy!

Keep on posting Ruth. I know its not the same as real life but we do care :grouphug: