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  1. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I'm looking for a source to read the entire thing for my self. No disrespect meant but anytime anyone (either Catholic or Protestant apologist) quote church fathers I try to find and independent source and read it for myself. I've found both sides have either just made up quotes, misquoted...
  2. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Anthanasius was telling us what he (probably the most respected Christian Bishop at the time) considered to be canonical and non-canonical. He wasn't telling us what the Jews thought. Anthanasius wrote the Festal letter in 367. Jerome didn't start translating the Scripture into Latin until...
  3. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    4. There are, then, of the Old Testament, twenty-two books in number; for, as I have heard, it is handed down that this is the number of the letters among the Hebrews; their respective order and names being as follows. The first is Genesis, then Exodus, next Leviticus, after that Numbers, and...
  4. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Do you have a link. I can't find it on New Advent.
  5. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Interesting that list List Anthanasius quotes when Anthanasius himself says they aren't part of the canon in the Festal Letter.
  6. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Some of the early Christian writings, not all. Here are some Early Christian Writings that say one or more of the Books in Question are not in the Canon of Scripture There were several different list of Old Testament Books, many of the more famous ones are the Hebrew/Protestant books plus...
  7. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    If they aren't part of the God Breathed Scripture then what difference does it make? They are interesting books for sure. Faith building books even, however if they aren't innerrant God breathed scripture then maybe they shouldn't be in the same binding as the actual scripture. People could...
  8. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That is not entirely true. While it is true that Chrisitianity is not Judaism and do think we need to take ancient Jewish thought into the equation. The Old Covenant was to the Jews, God's chosen people. By the work of Christ, Gentiles (us) were grafted into Israel. Romans 11:11-24. One...
  9. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Which Jews? It is my understanding that different sects of Jews held different "traditions" about the Old Testament books. Some held to the Law and the Prophetical books and others only considered the 5 Books of the Law to be binding scripture. Some we don't know enough about to determine...
  10. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    You misquoted me I said "NO scriptures says God is imperfect". Is that the only way you can respond. To be misleading?
  11. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    No scripture says that God is imperfect. I"m going to try this one more time then I'm out of this conversation. You are confusing God's actions and decisions with His Character and Person. God's Character and Person is Love, Holiness and Justice (among other things). When the Scripture...
  12. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    The Bible rebukes your doctrine. It is obvious that you don't believe that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness? If the scripture says something you don't believe in or you perceive to be a contradiction then you simply...
  13. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    Do you believe that Christ was born of a virgin and lived a sinless life? Do you believe that Christ is fully God and fully Man? Do you believe that Christ was beaten, crucified on the Cross, died and rose again? Do you believe that salvation (forgiveness and adoption into the "people of...
  14. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    So David bought the threshing floor and the oxen and paid fifty shekels of silver for them. 25 David built an altar to the Lord there and sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. Then the Lord answered his prayer in behalf of the land, and the plague on Israel was stopped. 2 Samuel...
  15. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    Strictly speaking, God didn't change His mind. He implemented His perfect plan by establishing various covenants with man. Because God is omnipotent He always knew the plan and our reaction to it and what He would do about it. He knew we would rebel in the garden and that He would send a...
  16. Lanman87

    What type of Advertising has your church done?

    Other than having a website, facebook page, and youtube channel that livestreams services, none. I am not aware of any radio ads, newspaper ads, or TV ads nor am I aware of any mass mailings/flyers.
  17. Lanman87

    Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

    What a cop out answer. I was pointing out that changing your mind does not change who you are. That is true of God and that is true of humans, who were made in God's image. My faith is in a God who is perfect and who I Trust to do the perfect thing. You don't trust Him to do the perfect...
  18. Lanman87

    Can We Discuss Why This World Has To End.

    The world as we know it has to end in order for the "New Creation" to take place. At some point in time God will make "all things new". There will be no more sin or sorrow and the world will be perfect once again.
  19. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I understand that, But to say that Protestants removed those books from the "Canon" of Holy Scriptures or that Catholics added those books to the Canon are both not the entire story. Throughout church history there were two threads (as the New Catholic Encyclopedia put it) concerning those...
  20. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    That is why I said earlier If you want to get mad that American Evangelicals removed the printed text of the Deutero books from their copies of the Bible then you have a point. If you want to say that American Evangelicals removed them from Scripture then it is a bit more fuzzy. When we...
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