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  1. Lanman87

    Since there’s evidence that 1 Maccabees was probably written in Hebrew originally…

    You have to look at the totality of reasons, not just one reason.
  2. Lanman87

    Since there’s evidence that 1 Maccabees was probably written in Hebrew originally…

    Peter quoting Deuteronomy is one reason we can say Peter thought Deuteronomy is Scripture. But taken alone it doesn't necessarily mean he believes it is Scripture. Another reason we can say the Peter is quoting "Scripture" is that we know he was a Palestinian Jew and we know, historically...
  3. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    There were a lot of books in the early church that didn't have early "Catholicity". Universal Acceptance developed over time. By the end of the 5th century, and certainly by the end of the 6th century there was a universal acceptance of the New Testament and the Hebrew Canon of the Old...
  4. Lanman87

    Why do you think the Bible says that tattoos are wrong?

    Here is one opinion. Why Does the Bible Forbid Tattoos? - JSTOR Daily
  5. Lanman87

    Since there’s evidence that 1 Maccabees was probably written in Hebrew originally…

    So do you think Enoch belongs in the Biblical canon?
  6. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    My point is that there has never been, for lack of a better word, Catholicity (Universal Acceptance) of those particular books. For the remaining Old Testament books and all of the New Testament books there is a "Catholicity"'. By the 5th century there were no voices in the church saying they...
  7. Lanman87

    Since there’s evidence that 1 Maccabees was probably written in Hebrew originally…

    Jude references Enoch in his short letter. Does that mean Enoch was in Jude's Bible? We know that Enoch was widely read in the century before. Many of copies of Enoch were found in the dead sea scrolls.
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    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Glossa ordinaria- commentary used by the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages that was widely read and studied by Theologians. “The canonical books have been brought about through the dictation of the Holy Spirit. It is not known, however, at which time or by which authors the non-canonical...
  9. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Good luck with that. There is a lot of debate in the academic/theological communities over the best sources for the Hebrew Scripture. Some believe it is as you say and that the MT is less accurate. Others say the MT is more accurate, especially since the Dead Sea Scrolls show that the MT and...
  10. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Which was still a fraction of total Christianity.
  11. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I don't believe the church councils "decided" the New Testament. Even during the 4th Century there were difference in the church as to what made up the New Testament. Up until that point several influential people had given their opinion on what books make up the New Testament. A few local...
  12. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    The funny thing about the Gelasian Decree is that Catholics are quick to use it to prove which books belong in the Bible but haven't headed the books to be rejected. Plenty of Catholics use the Infancy Gospel of James to try and prove Mariology but it is on the list of books labeled as...
  13. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I was responding to this statement by @MoreCoffee One recurring theme in anti-deuterocanon apologetics is how sermons, surviving ancient bibles, and church liturgical readings are skipped over or completely ignored when enquiring into what the early churches used as holy and inspired scripture...
  14. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    If the early church fathers quoting things in their writing and being included in ancient Bibles is the measuring stick then you are going to have to add the Didache, Shepard of Hermas, and Epistle of Barnabas to your canon. All of them were considered by some, at one time or another as...
  15. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    I'm not trying to show that Athanasius is right or wrong. What I am trying to show is that The New Catholic Encyclopedia is correct. There were two "threads" or "traditions" in the history of the church concerning those particular books. One thread was "for them being in the canon" and one...
  16. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Didn't Jerome end up translating the books from Greek into Latin? Also, from a practical point of view, did Jerome's wording really make a difference? I mean, From what I can tell even those in the "thread" that held them to be "not in the canon" still held them in high esteem. As you...
  17. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Yes, the tradition included two different "levels" of books. So you are saying Jerome got it half right. The books are not in the canon but are ecclesiastical and not apocrypha? Basically, saying apocrypha (which makes them sound like they are heretical) instead of ecclesiastical (which are...
  18. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    This is interesting. Perhaps Rufinus was just mad because Jerome didn't want to translate those particular books. At any rate, it is also clear that he holds the same distinction (that was done away with at Trent) as Anthanasius and many others: And is very close to what the Protestant Dr...
  19. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Thank you, These are the only three things listed under him on New Advent. Maybe the need to update their links.
  20. Lanman87

    A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

    Dr. Meade is correct. The word Scripture at the time just meant sacred writings. The Duetero books are "Sacred writings". But they aren't canonical (God Breathed and Inerrant). That is what Athanasius was doing, Categorizing the "Sacred Writings" as either Canon(God breathed and inerrant)...
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