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I was quoting Albion from post #44 and was replying to Albion. I didn't say that is some mystical way that baptism doesn't contain God's word. I am saying that rite of baptism isn't what brings faith to someone. The New Testament, to my knowledge, never says that Baptism is a source of...

No baptist church sets out to baptize someone who makes a false profession of faith. Ultimately, all you can do is make a good faith effort to determine if faith is real or not. Plus, the inclination, especially with adults and older teens/children is to believe them when they claim faith and...

Here is another question. According to this article reviewing a historical book on baptism the practice of infant baptism didn't become the norm until the 5th/6th century mark. We also know that many of the Church Fathers, even those from Christian homes, were baptized as adults. Gregory of...

I believe anytime someone professes a "false faith" and goes through the rite of baptism then an actual baptism didn't take place. It was the appearance of baptism only. If God has not worked in someones heart to make them a new creation then they are just getting wet. I didn't write this...

I do not intend to be offensive. I'm simply saying that the "households" where everyone was baptized didn't necessarily contain infants. We don't know. Which is why it shouldn't be used as an argument for or against infant baptism. Which is why I said I do not consider the "household"...

Not if they are believers. Because believers are who was explicitly baptized. Belief is the only necessity for baptism. Age, hair color, nationality, health problem are all red herring arguments that distract from the belief/doesn't yet believe question.

I don't believe it is a misleading premise at all. The Bible tells and shows us to baptize new believers. It never tells us to baptize non-believers or shows us an explicit instance of non-believers or infants being baptized. If it never tells us or shows us to practice such a foundational...

The Holy Spirit is the one doing the washing and regeneration, not baptism.

Honestly, this is a silly argument. There is not set liturgy in the New Testament, but there are general directives. I believe the reason is that God aloud for changes in culture/technology in how church is carried out and what tools used to share the gospel. . But still, we must not change...

It is the actual water that does all of that or is baptism representational of the Spiritual Washing/Baptism that comes by Faith? And you need to add the end to 1 Peter 3:20-21 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God...

Well, I've shown in another response that the Bible says the Holy Spirit is imparted at belief. Gal 3;2 and Eph 1:13. That is how I know the Holy Spirit is imparted at belief/conversion. How do you know the Holy Spirit is imparted to infants at baptism?

What work does God do in Baptism? Does it impart faith? The Bible says faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17) Does it impart the Spirit? The Bible says we receive the Spirit at belief or by "hearing with faith" (Gal 3:2)and we are sealed with the Spirit when we heard the...

Yes, it is not explicitly forbidden, neither is it commanded or explicitly demonstrated. The lack of "Thou shalt not" doesn't mean "Thou shalt". When there is neither a "thou shalt" or a "thou shalt not" we have to look at the principles handed down in scripture and examples given. All the...

Even if God gives infants faith, short of divine revelation, we don't know which infants he has given faith and which he hasn't. It is presumptuous to baptize and infant as a believer. At best, infant baptism is a hope of future evidence of a saving faith. And if a child baptized as an infant...

Just a couple of thoughts. There is a difference between Children and infants. My brand of Credo-baptist believes that children can have a saving faith but infants cannot. Therefore, if the household included children that came to believe and be baptized then it doesn't go against my...

This was asked of me in the thread on Accretions in the church. Instead of getting that thread off topic I'll post my opinion here. As someone who believes that credo-baptism is what the Bible both teaches and demonstrates then my answer would be yes, Infant Baptism was an accretion...

Dr. Ortland opened up a hornest nest of Catholic Apologist. Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin make a response video that is almost three hours long. Here is a short input on the discussion from a Lutheran. Dr. Jordan B. Cooper

Dr. Ortland argued the the presence of images doesn't mean they were venerated. I've talked them to death. I've never really considered the use of iconography in the veneration of icons and how it developed.

Well, the latest dust up is over icon veneration.

take your pick. The reason I ask is because he gets a lot of push back from Catholics and Orthodox.