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Is God Just or is God Merciful? Put another way, is God UNJUST or is God UNMERCIFUL? Since you have made it “one or the other”.

It is always amusing when men reject the truth of God and then stand in judgement of God. Fear not, if you really want nothing to do with THAT GOD, then you may someday get your wish granted.

Thank goodness you strained out that gnat, or we would never have choked down that camel. :rolleyes:

Moses and Elijah were from that era and appeared at the transfiguration … I take that as an above average indication that they are saved. Somewhere in scripture there is a list of the “saints” of old … are those saved or unsaved saints? I simply “respectfully disagree” with your conclusion. No...

Who cares about them … (I) was trying to talk with (you).

Post #1 “many” is not “all” … you trample what has been provided and wonder why I do not bother to post more verses for you to scream “taint so” at. The good news is that salvation is offered to all men without distinction (not all men without exception), unlike the OT. Under the Law, all you...

… that you are willing to see. :cool:

Ummm … our argument is that Christ died for those that will spend eternity in heaven. Do even YOU believe that “MOST of the 8 billion people now on Earth and perhaps 15-20 billion once on Earth” will spend eternity in heaven? Your complaint is nonsensical. Of course we don’t say that, you don’t...

Then why did you respond to my offer of a verse with “many” (rather than your requested “some FEW”) with a repost of your wall of text designed to drown out all conversation? Why do you KEEP responding with the same accusatory tone and the same wall of text? Who wants to play “scripture pong”...

This is a rhetorical question, isn’t it? :cool:

THEM = Limited. (but you are not really interested in my explanations, are you?)

That was just a rehash of post #10 and I offered to present scripture in post #19 … post #24 was the response telling me that he wasn’t interested in hearing my scripture. So I DO NOT RESPOND to “your” scripture because “you” do not want a response. Josiah, for all his wonderful qualities, is...

Somehow, I don’t think you actually answered my simple question … which is an answer in and of itself, I guess.

At issue is did God have to wait for THEM to choose, or did God know WHO from before Adam and those God DREW are the ones that chose. :cool: God knew THEM; God chose THEM; God justified THEM; God parties like it’s 1999 with THEM in Revelation!

Revelation 7 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice...

Will you accept “many” … or MUST it be the exact word “some”? :cool:

What about “those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose” … you know, THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE who are foreknown, predestined, called, justified and glorified … all by HIM. [You know the verses.] Were they an “elect” (which just means “chosen”) group? I happen to believe...

It had no effect … your meaning was clear and the intended NOT was obvious. I had no illusions that you were HALF Calvinist. ;)

That view MAKES the atonement (death of Christ) limited … It did not effectively save anyone. Something more is needed (Faith from the person, accepting the gift, people describe this “something else” differently). What all NON-CALVINISTS agree on is that Jesus did not die EXCLUSIVELY for...

They were a matched set: Does God know who will never believe and ultimately spend eternity in Hell? Has God always known this or is His OMNISCIENCE growing? Did Christ shed blood for those that were already in Hell? (The Rich man Jesus spoke of) Do they have a chance at redemption? For what...