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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Well, that's because the question we're discussing is the EXTENT of the Atonement. We're not debating how people must respond to the gospel. The immediate question at hand is: For whom did Christ die? You raise a red herring to distract us and get us off on another tangent. And besides just...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Absolutely by the grace of God! And the entire epistle of 1 John tells me how I can KNOW this. What about you?
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Okay...the other day I basically promised that I would tackle one of UAB's most cherished "proof texts", i.e. Heb 2:9. I have already taken considerable wind out of their sail re this passage by pointing to a very obvious fact (except to them) that the term "everyone" is not quantified in the...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Never said it was. And I never ignored faith. More false innuendos/claims. Anyhoo -- it can never be said of you that you have missed your calling....................in apologetics. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: P.S. Do you think the folks in Rev 7:9 are saints? If so, did Christ...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    What do you think v. 13 is saying: That he didn't lay down his life for anyone? Also, are you saying that Jesus' atoning death will only accrue to them on the basis of their obedience? That they must earn their salvation? They must merit it on the basis of their works obedience? I thought...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Of course, you want me to stop. You have no answers to tough questions -- all of which have been related to the atonement in one sense or another. The only passages you have provided for proof texts are the more OBSCURE ones that allow you to read your presuppositions into them, such as Jn...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    More on John, folks. John 15:13-16a, 19b 13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends IF you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    974 - 12/17/22 John 10 covers a lot more than just faith. How about this: John 10:11 11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep NIV And, John 10:15 and I lay down my life for the sheep. NIV And, John 10:17 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Not anywhere close, though, to all the false statements you have made about me.
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    I have some things to write about John 10, which by the way the vast majority of theologians call the Good Shepherd Discourse. No one I know of calls it the Faith Discourse. Did everyone catch what Jesus said in v.17? I'm thinking not, so permit to elaborate a little. John 10:17 17 The...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Yada, yada., yada. Provide definite proof texts. "May well..." doesn't cut it. Also, 1Tim 1-1-2 qualifies Paul's exhortation of "pray for all men". V.2 clearly limits who he had in mind.
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    But You didn't answer my question re John 10 and Mat 7:23: How can Jesus have a special relationship with his sheep (know them personally and intimately), even though they're still sinners, and yet not with the evildoers, especially since faith isn't in view in the Matthew passage? Or are you...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Well...it seems to me that my thoughts are aligned with God's since he has in his infinite wisdom provided numerous texts on doctrines that are quite specific and explicit. He has provided many specific and explicit statements in scripture that say he hates, despises, loathes or abhors sinners...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    quote]Doran: Now, I asked this question because John 10 teaches that Jesus knows all his sheep. He knows them so well that he not only knows each of them by name but knows them like he knows his Father! It certainly sounds like Jesus has a very deep, personal, intimate knowledge of his sheep...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Josiah, my friend, you should take to heart this proverb: Eccl 5:3, 7 3 As a dream comes when there are many cares, so the speech of a fool when there are many words . 7 Much dreaming and many words are meaningless. NIV You spend so many words with so little content. You waste more time and...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    I have asked you UABs several times if you think Jesus died for those he never knew. What I got for an answer was crickets. (What else is new?) Now, I asked this question because John 10 teaches that Jesus knows all his sheep. He knows them so well that he not only knows each of them by name...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    I think when Paul said pray for "all people", he meant pray meaningfully, i.e. biblically. You'd be hard-pressed to find such a trite, meaningless prayer in scriptures. You could start with the psalms. Any meathead can pray such nonsense. Here's another useless "prayer": Lord, I pray that...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    I have a few minutes, so let's jump into 1Timothy 2: 1 Tim 2:1-7 1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Greek language scholars would disagree with you. As would writers of scripture when their writings are understood in context. Also, the vast majority of words in the world have more than one meaning. Isn't it the height of naivete to narrow certain words or phrases down to just one...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Well then...You AGREE that Christ only died for those who the Father gave to him? And we know that the Father did not give him each and every person in the world. Therefore, Jesus could not have possibly died for each and very person in the world....UNLESS....UNLESS you postulate that He died...
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