This thread is not about credobaptism. NOTHING in the title or in the video even mentions that. It's about
paedobaptism and those who refuse to baptize based on age, the receiver having not yet attained the magical (but never disclosed) age of X. Which is why so many in this thread have talked about that magical age, about what people can and can't do at various ages, etc.
IACOBVS said:
Josiah said:
IACOBVS said:
ImaginaryDay2 said:
atpollard said:
it has nothing to do with some 'magic age X'
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Now wait a minute. I call foul. Credobaptists
absolutely appeal to a "magic age 'X'" for many things
1) Faith - accepting Jesus as a personal Lord and Savior
2) Baptism - testifying to the church that I accept Jesus and want to join the church (or some variation...)
3) Receiving communion
Usually, it's about age seven, or later.
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do you have any scriptural basis for any of your three points?
It was argued that those against baptizing those under the age of "X" don't hold any position regarding age.
Imaginary Day simply called them out for that, noting that they not only DO hold a position regarding age vis-a-vis Baptism but other things, too!
I thought it was an excellent point. And none had a rebuttal to it.
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... So claiming "none had a rebuttal to it" when you asked not to discuss that and I obliged is disingenuous.
Those mandating a min. age for baptism have not presented any Scripture stating that mandate. Nor for their "but-NOT-for-those-under-the-magic-age-of-X" prohibition for faith and communion, either (as Imaginary Day pointed out but all the protestors ignored)
I read of lots of adults repenting and being baptized in the bible, where were those verses that describe the baptism of babies ... you know, the one that actually uses the word "baby", or "infant" or "child" (in a literal sense, not just a 'child of God')? For all the posts and all the pages ... I still have not seen it.
1. I reject your premise that if every situation where a command applies, only the examples given in the Bible are included. By your premise, one can hate African-Americans because the Great Commandment to love as Christ first loved us never specifically mentions African Americans (Or Native Americans or Chinese or Australians or Irish). Frankly, I think you have it backwards: I think if one is going to dogmatically insist that Irish are excluded from the Great Commandment to love are the ones with the burden of proof, they are the ones who need to find the verse, "BUT don't you ever love Irish people!" I think your premise is wrong. I think commands apply - unless we are told otherwise, I think you have it backwards (and that you are applying your premise VERY, VERY inconsistently).
2. Your other premise is equally dangerous. I reject your argument that if we can't find a specific example of a practice in Scripture, then it is forbidden. You don't believe your own point, I'm certain (or you would not be posting on the internet). I have a hunch that nearly everything done in your church is not specifically exampled anywhere in the Bible. And of course, you'd be equally against offering communion with grape juice in little plastic cups with cup up pieces of Weber's White Bread.... you'd be equally against Gentiles performing baptisms or doing so in a big tank behind the pulpit or using electricity in church. I doubt you accept your own premise, so why should we?
Until then, I must choose to believe Scripture
When you can produce the Scripture that states your singular prohibition: "But DO
NOT under any circumstance baptize those under the magical age of X!" (Or "African-Americans" or "French" or "Swedes" or "Blondes" or "Lutherans" or ....)
Lämmchen said:
Jesus said to baptize all nations. How are babies not included?
.... because it is not specifically recorded, "And this includes those under the magical age of X." Of course, it's also not specifically stated, "And this includes gentiles" "African-Americans" "Swedes" "Tall people" "Blonde hair people" "Americans."
Consider this same premise applied anywhere else..... someone trying to defend forbidding love to African Americans because the command is to love.... it does NOT say, "And African-Americans are included." This dogmatically insisting we cannot love them. What a strange premise that is!
Pax Christi
- Josiah
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