Knowing the end from the beginning ...

[MoreCoffee]

Would knowing the end from the beginning make for indifference towards the actors playing out the plan or would it promote pathos mixed with joy?

 

[Rens]

Would knowing the end from the beginning make for indifference towards the actors playing out the plan or would it promote pathos mixed with joy?

Promote doing something. It's hope, vision. Well if the outcome is good.

 

[Lamb]

Would knowing the end from the beginning make for indifference towards the actors playing out the plan or would it promote pathos mixed with joy?

Is this from God's point of view concerning the end of this world before the New Jerusalem or from Jesus' point of view of dying on the cross? They both knew what would happen.

I think that there is a sadness as well as a joy. Sadness for loss of relationships but then joy because there is always a resurrection of some sort.

 

[Pedrito]

Isaiah 46:9,10:

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

If God declared the end from the beginning, how and where did He do so?

Did He not arrange to have it indelibly written in the book we call the Bible?

Is it not unquestionably there? And won’t we see it if we look without the blinkers and shackles of established church doctrine (of whatever variety)?

Would it be wrong for Pedrito to suggest that, as was the case with the converted Saul of Tarsus (the apostle Paul), we should simply forget about our detailed future in this life, and “...press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.”?

Or was that sort of thing only for Paul and his ilk?

 

[user1234]

Sure we should. Press forward, but without confusion of contexts.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is this from God's point of view concerning the end of this world before the New Jerusalem or from Jesus' point of view of dying on the cross? They both knew what would happen.

I think that there is a sadness as well as a joy. Sadness for loss of relationships but then joy because there is always a resurrection of some sort.

It's a question from a human being who is not God and does not have the hubris to think as if a human being can see matters from God's point of view. Nevertheless the scriptures do present God as knowing the end from the beginning so the question in the first post seems logical does it not?

 

[user1234]

It's a question from a human being who is not God and does not have the hubris to think as if a human being can see matters from God's point of view. Nevertheless the scriptures do present God as knowing the end from the beginning so the question in the first post seems logical does it not?

We CAN see some things from God's point of view, as He reveals them to us through His Word. And His Word says we have the mind of Christ and know all things, but I admit I don't fully know what that means. Lol. :=D:

Would knowing the end from the beginning make for indifference towards the actors playing out the plan or would it promote pathos mixed with joy?

Are these the only two options?

Promote doing something. It's hope, vision. Well if the outcome is good.

I think this is a GREAT answer! (I admit I need to put it into practice much more, but yes, great answer!)

 

[Pedrito]

Snerfle, Post #5 on Page 1:

Sure we should. Press forward, but without confusion of contexts.

Pedrito requests clarification regarding what “but without confusion of contexts” means.

 

[user1234]

Snerfle, Post #5 on Page 1:


Pedrito requests clarification regarding what “but without confusion of contexts” means.

Snerfle would love to answer and even converse in depth with Pedrito, but is noticing a pattern that only if his answers/replies are deemed acceptable will they remain, otherwise he's simply wasting much time, effort and sincere thought, because he struggles to type on a touchscreen tablet, has been having eyesight struggles, and struggles to put his thoughts into the printed word so that they wont be twisted and result in either false accusations, riricules, or confiscations.
This reply itself without typos, I hope, took easy 15 minutes.
In short, though, the wording of the OP Q leaves way too much wiggle room to give a concise, pat answer, and when discussing 'knowing the end from the beginning' it's important to keep prophetic teachings in context. There are many eschatological positions that well-meaning ppl arrive at when reading scripture, but the OP seems to imply only two responses are possible if one thinks he knows the end from the beginning. And maybe that's all there are, what do you think? GBU. Make that 25 minutes.

 

[Pedrito]

Pedrito thanks Snerfle for his reply, and for his efforts doing battle with his (what appears to be a small-screen) tablet.

Pedrito can sympathise – empathise, actually – with Snerfle in that regard.

Around 12 months ago, Pedrito took his wife’s former, discarded, 7” tablet (cracked screen and all) with him when they visited her family in another country. Pedrito normally uses something larger (keyboard and all).

What a disaster.

The touchscreen keyboard kept registering letters other than the ones Pedrito thought he’d pressed. The old version of Android lacked a backspace key, so Pedrito had to reposition the cursor in the right place (another challenge) before hitting the Delete key (if his aim was right).

The situation can be summed up in one simple word. Aarrgghh!!!

With respect to Snerfle’s assessment of the OP, Pedrito has no particular argument.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are these the only two options?

No. They are two options, others may be possible. Did you have some others in mind?

 

[user1234]

No. They are two options, others may be possible. Did you have some others in mind?

That depends .... Knowing the end of what from the beginning of what.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That depends .... Knowing the end of what from the beginning of what.

Knowing the end of everything from the beginning of everything. The thread is about God's knowledge. That's why I wrote the original post like this: "Would knowing the end from the beginning make for indifference towards the actors playing out the plan or would it promote pathos mixed with joy?"