The Church of Today

[popsthebuilder]

We aren't dead yet, and haven't failed yet.

To do better would be to forgive indiscriminately and live in the belief one proclaims within.

 

[Lamb]

We can always strive to do better but perfection we cannot attain in this life which is why our hope is in Jesus the Christ. He is our perfection and we are covered in His righteousness.

 

[Wilhemena]

If we visit 10 churches, they have a sign outside that reads:

Worship services:
9:00 AM
11:00 AM
1:00 PM

Only 2 hours a week.

Worship is not praise.

Worship is to pay respect to someone, to pay homage.

And we should do it 7/24/366.

At home, in your business, at school, at the mall, at the beach, everywhere.

Are you doing it 2 hours or 7/24 hours a week?

All the time is your decision?

I still see a mighty wind going from thread to thread.

Sorry fellows, that is what I see until some people (not everybody ) change their attitude or see the light, or see the Truth.

You'll know them by their fruits.

Peace be with you.

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Is this thread serious? Is this poster serious? Does he have the Holy Spirit I wonder because if he did he would not distrust him who works us into sanctification and not merely for the 2 hours of a worship service. Doesn't the Holy Spirit give life to believers and doesn't he live within us or does he not live within those of the poster's church where he isn't seeing the members going out into the world and bearing fruit? I often wonder about people who post these things and I have been on boards for well over 20 years now and wonder if they do it because they are afraid of their own faith faltering?

 

[TurtleHare]

Is this thread serious? Is this poster serious? Does he have the Holy Spirit I wonder because if he did he would not distrust him who works us into sanctification and not merely for the 2 hours of a worship service. Doesn't the Holy Spirit give life to believers and doesn't he live within us or does he not live within those of the poster's church where he isn't seeing the members going out into the world and bearing fruit? I often wonder about people who post these things and I have been on boards for well over 20 years now and wonder if they do it because they are afraid of their own faith faltering?

Don't ya love it when folks come on the internet to accuse others of having no Holy Spirit because no one wants to agree with them?

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Worship service...??? = living sacrifice...dying to self...obedience to christ... Doing his will not our own... Not continuing in sin.

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.…

So this does away with corporate worship on Sun-day (or Any-day)? I understand the point about individual responsibility to grow in Christ, but has corporate worship been done away with in 'today's church'?

 

[Lamb]

I think his point (from other threads) was that true worship came from our obedience (his opinion from scripture).

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think his point (from other threads) was that true worship came from our obedience (his opinion from scripture).

The holy scriptures say that to obey is better than sacrifice thus giving credence to the notion that obedience is what God wants while mere forms observed as worship have little value without obedience to God's commands.

 

[Lamb]

That verse of course is referring to the sacrifices that had to be made. We now have Jesus, who because of HIS obedience made the perfect sacrifice.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That verse of course is referring to the sacrifices that had to be made. We now have Jesus, who because of HIS obedience made the perfect sacrifice.

Jesus said If you keep my precepts, you shall abide in my love, just as I also have kept my Father"s precepts and I abide in his love. These things I have spoken to you, so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be fulfilled. This is my precept: that you love one another, just as I have loved you. No one has a greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends, if you do what I instruct you. I will no longer call you servants, for the servant does not know what his Lord is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything whatsoever that I have heard from my Father, I have made known to you. You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you. And I have appointed you, so that you may go forth and bear fruit, and so that your fruit may last. Then whatever you have asked of the Father in my name, he shall give to you. This I command you: that you love one another. (John 15:10-17) In saying these things the Lord gives credence to the notion that that obedience is what God wants while mere forms observed as worship have little value without obedience to God's commands.

 

[TheVeryEnd]

If Jesus was here today, he would be treated in the same exact way I'm being treated for preaching the same exact Gospel as he did. He would be all alone with knowledge called Christ and the understanding of how he was created when no one else around can understand it. He would be telling a few believers who could handle it about how we're going to live on the New Earth after the destruction of the old earth. Most of those few believers would be a little nervous about him telling how we're going to live on the New Earth like they do when I tell them about it.

Jesus would have been called a blasphemer, a liar, a false prophet, and had the middle finger raised in his face thousands of times by the religious heathens who read and study the Bible and use their own interpretations to believe in just like I had to endure while preaching the Gospel and witnessing thousands of chosen believers who loved hearing the words of the Lord spoken to them.

Like me, Jesus would have died a very lonely man with old friends and family rejecting the knowledge of God that we possess but pretending that they still like us. A few believers remain in contact with us because they grow to like the way we treat them with kindness and love of the Lord but even they have their worlds to endure so they aren't that concerned about us servants who end up getting killed for this knowledge that cannot be understood by most people.

Like all the servants who came after Jesus preaching the same Gospel as we did, they were all killed and pretty much forgotten by their friends, family and believers who listened to the Gospel they heard us preach.

 

[Lamb]

Jesus said If you keep my precepts, you shall abide in my love, just as I also have kept my Father"s precepts and I abide in his love. These things I have spoken to you, so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be fulfilled. This is my precept: that you love one another, just as I have loved you. No one has a greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends, if you do what I instruct you. I will no longer call you servants, for the servant does not know what his Lord is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything whatsoever that I have heard from my Father, I have made known to you. You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you. And I have appointed you, so that you may go forth and bear fruit, and so that your fruit may last. Then whatever you have asked of the Father in my name, he shall give to you. This I command you: that you love one another. (John 15:10-17) In saying these things the Lord gives credence to the notion that that obedience is what God wants while mere forms observed as worship have little value without obedience to God's commands.

Our obedience is because of Christ's obedience first. Aren't we covered in His blood?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Our obedience is because of Christ's obedience first. Aren't we covered in His blood?

I agree with the red bold text (I made it red & bold). The ordinary text ought to be further explained by you because I am not exactly sure what you intend by those words.

 

[Lamb]

Being covered in the righteousness of Christ means we by grace through faith are obedient saints.

 

[JSales]

Is the church of today following what Jesus intended from his followers?

Is the church doing it on the correct day?
And why?

Jesus was a jew from the tribe of Judah, and He was against of the hierarchy of the time, WHY?

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Bro, Jesus wasn't a legalistic guy and I bet that even tho there are problems with his believers it isn't much different from when it began. I hardly think he would be upset that worship on other days than Saturday is happening.

 

[Brighten04]

I think that many of the Church have not grasped who/what they are. We are sons of God, just as Jesus is Son of God. We are the Kings and priests of the Kingdom of God. I believe once the Church wakes up and take their rightful identity, the whole world will know that Jesus id Lord. The enemy has stolen the Church's identity, and changed the entire meaning and purpose of the sons of God. Scripture says the whole of creation is groaning waiting for the Church to wake up!
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba,Father.
Eph. 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

 

[psalms 91]

Beautiful post, yes we are to walk in the fullness of what God has for us and claim the power and authority the Jesus bought and paid for and further the kingdom of God in power and spirit.

 

[Brighten04]

Beautiful post, yes we are to walk in the fullness of what God has for us and claim the power and authority the Jesus bought and paid for and further the kingdom of God in power and spirit.

IMHO too many people think little of the Church. I think that is because the Church(sons of God) do not know the power and authority they possess. Jesus said we should do the works He did, but we are to use His name. That is our power of attorney.

 

[Wilhemena]

IMHO too many people think little of the Church. I think that is because the Church(sons of God) do not know the power and authority they possess. Jesus said we should do the works He did, but we are to use His name. That is our power of attorney.

Indeed.

Then there are those who have all that power from Jesus go into their own heads and sin enters into the fray causing others around them to raise a brow. Isn't it a wonder that Jesus can get any work done with all our sin butting in trying to overlord his will?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Being covered in the righteousness of Christ means we by grace through faith are obedient saints.

Everything we have including our being is by grace. Obedience is by grace but it is obedience and that means we do it. One cannot be obedient by being disobedient can one?

Belief is not necessarily obedience, the demons believe but they do not obey. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe--and shudder.
James 2:19

 

[Lamb]

Everything we have including our being is by grace. Obedience is by grace but it is obedience and that means we do it. One cannot be obedient by being disobedient can one?

Belief is not necessarily obedience, the demons believe but they do not obey. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe--and shudder.
James 2:19

The demons could not have faith because Christ was not sent for them. They know God exists so they believe He exists. We can only believe in Him by faith, and that is a gift from Him. As believers we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who guides us into obedience.