True meaning of repentance

[Brighten04]

I never now what page people are on because they keep insisting that I am wrong even when they completely agree with me. :O_O:

LOL!

 

[Brighten04]

UOTE=Rens;79886]

https://youtu.be/9QmqqhLZbQI

Okay, this finally explains it.
If the elephant is us, and the birds are our sins, the the piggie is Jesus, because our birds were placed upon Piggies head and the elephant is free. :hearts:
Praise the Lord !!!

I only have one question .....
Where are their pants? :O_O: :woot:[/QUOTE]

:rofl3: Where are their pants! LOL!

 

[Sword7]

"Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them, and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever. "
- some here would probably be surprised by who said that.
But God's call (command)to repentance ..and that call goes to All mankind,remains our responsibility to respond and obey that call. We MUST metanoia(turn our mind )and not one time but consistently unto the day of his coming.
Faith is the action one does because one truly believes.

And the above quote....
Is from Martin Luther. Whose teachings have been cherry picked unroll the tree is so bare it's barren.after all the American Lutheran church voted to allow gay ministers. So we know that tree ain't of God.

But the topic here began by asking and explaining the meaning of the word repent.
And that meaning is for the most part being ignore or watered down.

 

[Brighten04]

And that meaning is for the most part being ignore or watered down.

In this thread? How so? Please point out the posts that water downs the meaning of repentance.

 

[TurtleHare]

"Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them, and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever. "
- some here would probably be surprised by who said that.
But God's call (command)to repentance ..and that call goes to All mankind,remains our responsibility to respond and obey that call. We MUST metanoia(turn our mind )and not one time but consistently unto the day of his coming.
Faith is the action one does because one truly believes.

And the above quote....
Is from Martin Luther. Whose teachings have been cherry picked unroll the tree is so bare it's barren.after all the American Lutheran church voted to allow gay ministers. So we know that tree ain't of God.

But the topic here began by asking and explaining the meaning of the word repent.
And that meaning is for the most part being ignore or watered down.

Someone is just like Althis gettin in the digs into everyone else and wow, yeah, that's you isn't it? MoreCoffee gets a prize for nailing it (Luther nailed stuff too, didn't he? heheh) but I digress since you obviously want to hide behind a different name even though you're still the same ole same ole in the way you want to dig at everyone but rememember we all told you before you weren't perfect? Try to think back on that.

Back to the topic here, of course Luther knew that the believer will do good works and he of course again attributed it to the Holy Spirit and you gotta keep in mind this verse Romans 2:4 "Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?"

Our God is at the heart of out transformation or are you too proud to believe in that and think you're on your own in your make believe religion?

 

[Sword7]

In this thread? How so? Please point out the posts that water downs the meaning of repentance.

All the back and forth banter that avoids the meaning of the actual word and the responsability we have to be obedient.

 

[Sword7]

Someone is just like Althis gettin in the digs into everyone else and wow, yeah, that's you isn't it? MoreCoffee gets a prize for nailing it (Luther nailed stuff too, didn't he? heheh) but I digress since you obviously want to hide behind a different name even though you're still the same ole same ole in the way you want to dig at everyone but rememember we all told you before you weren't perfect? Try to think back on that.

Back to the topic here, of course Luther knew that the believer will do good works and he of course again attributed it to the Holy Spirit and you gotta keep in mind this verse Romans 2:4 "Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?"

Our God is at the heart of out transformation or are you too proud to believe in that and think you're on your own in your make believe religion?

Yes exactly .note that his kindness，patience and forbearence LEADS us to repentance .but doesnot Do it for us. We must responde obediently to what he leads us to.
It is US that must repent.and more so now that he has led us to the knowledge of the truth.when a person refuses to turn thier mind.refuses to repent but continues as they have always done.they are not and have not obeyed the words of Jesus you mentioned. Where he came preaching “Repent.....“

 

[Brighten04]

All the back and forth banter that avoids the meaning of the actual word and the responsability we have to be obedient.

Which posts avoid the meaning of the actual word? You should be able to point them out.

 

[Sword7]

All the ones going on about god “giving repentance“.

 

[MoreCoffee]

All the ones going on about god “giving repentance“.

God gives graces that lead to repentance. Ultimately every good thing that one has is a grace from God. But I agree that some folk like to pretend that they are passive in the matter of repentance and passive in the matter of saving faith. Some like to quote the verse fragment that says "dead in trespasses and sins" as a proof that they (and you) can contribute nothing whatever to your own salvation from sins. The context helps settle the meaning of the phrase.

And you were once dead in your sins and offences, in which you walked in times past, according to the age of this world, according to the prince of the power of this sky, the spirit who now works in the sons of distrust. And we too were all conversant in these things, in times past, by the desires of our flesh, acting according to the will of the flesh and according to our own thoughts. And so we were, by nature, sons of wrath, even like the others. Yet still, God, who is rich in mercy, for the sake of his exceedingly great charity with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our sins, has enlivened us together in Christ, by whose grace you have been saved. And he has raised us up together, and he has caused us to sit down together in the heavens, in Christ Jesus, so that he may display, in the ages soon to arrive, the abundant wealth of his grace, by his goodness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace, you have been saved through faith. And this is not of yourselves, for it is a gift of God. And this is not of works, so that no one may glory. For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works which God has prepared and in which we should walk. [SUP]Ephesians 2:1-10[/SUP]​

The passage points to one walking when "dead" and being conversant too thus making a nonsense of the idea that the phrase teaches passivity in matters appertaining to salvation (and by implication damnation). The passage teaches spiritual death but not inactivity with regard to matters appertaining to sin. And since repentance as well as faith mark a reversal of activity as well as a reversal of mental alignment it follows that the death in sins and trespasses is a quite active death and is dead only with respect to the absence of eternal life. One is dead in sins and trespasses because sins and trespasses cause one to be dead towards God. Repentance is turning away from sins and trespasses as well as being sorrowful about having done them. The sorrow that marks repentance is called godly sorrow by Paul and he remarks that godly sorrow produces enduring repentance. Thus those who are "dead in sins and trespasses" are worldly people who go about their worldly business while having no vital relationship with God and thus no eternal life.

The Cambridge Bible Commentary remarks (at length):

Ephesians 2:1

Chapter Eph 2:1-10. Regeneration of the Ephesians, an Instance of Gratuitous Salvation

1. And you hath he quickened] The construction is broken, and the gap is filled by the inserted verb, inferred from Eph 2:5 below, where however “we” has taken the place of “you.” Better, perhaps, did He quicken (as R. V.); the Gr. verb in Eph 2:5 being the aorist. Ideally, in their slain and risen Lord’s triumph, actually, in their spiritual regeneration, “believing on His name,” they had definitely received “eternal life.”—The English reader will remember that in the A. V. “to quicken” means seldom if ever to excite what already lives, but to bring from death to life.

Observe here the great theme of the Church and its Head treated in the special aspect of entrance into the Body by Divine regeneration of persons. For close parallels, though they treat the matter more from the side of Christ’s atoning work, cp. Col 1:21; Col 2:13; passages which, if written shortly before this, may have suggested the form of the opening phrase of this.

who were dead] Lit. being dead, “when you were dead;” devoid of spiritual and eternal life; see the next words. Obviously this weighty phrase needs to be read in the light of other truths; such as the existence of spirit, and the full presence of conscience, and of accountability, in the unregenerate. But those truths must not be allowed unduly to tone down this statement, which distinctly teaches that the state of the unregenerate has a true analogy to physical death; and that that analogy on the whole consists in this, that (1) it is a state in which a living principle, necessary for organization, growth and energy, in reference to God and holiness, is entirely lacking; (2) it is a state which has no innate tendency to develope such a principle of life. The principle must come to it altogether ab extra.—The latest researches into nature confirm the conviction that dead matter has absolutely no inner tendency to generate life, which must come into it ab extra if it is to live; a suggestive analogy.

On the doctrine of spiritual death as the state of unregenerate man, cp. ch. Eph 5:14; Joh 5:24; 1Jn 3:14; 1Jn 5:12; and see Joh 3:3; Joh 6:53. There are passages where “death” is used as a strong term to denote a comparatively lifeless state of the regenerate soul, needing (if it is to be escaped) not new birth, which is a thing once accomplished, but revival. But this modified sense of “death” must not be allowed to lower the absolute sense in a passage like this, with its peculiar doctrinal emphasis on the contrast of death and life. The state here described is not one of suppressed life, but of absence of life. Cp. 1Ti 5:6; Rev 3:1.

2Co 5:14, sometimes quoted of spiritual death, is not in point: translate, “then did all die,” and interpret of the death, representatively in Christ, of “all” at Calvary.

in trespasses and sins] Better, in respect of your trespasses, &c.—The Gr. construction is the dative without the preposition “in,” (so Col 2:13); and indicates conditioning circumstances.—What is the distinction between “trespass” and “sin”? It has been held that “trespass” is more of the conception, and “sin” of the act; or again that “trespass” is more of omission, “sin” of commission. But usage forbids any certainty in such inferences. In Eze 18:26 the LXX. use the word paraptôma (trespass) of the sin which the “righteous” commits and in which he dies. Etymologically, it is a fall over; and this may be either over a pebble or over a precipice. In actual usage, however, there is a slight occasional tendency in “trespass” towards a mitigated idea of sin, a “fault,” as in Gal 6:1; and it is possible that we have this here; as if to say, “in every form of evil-doing, whether lighter (trespasses) or heavier (sins).” But it is more probable still that the phrase is used designedly for accumulation’s sake alone, without precise distinction; as if to say, “evil-doing, however described.”

See Abp. Trench, N. T. Synonyms, under the word ἁμαρτία, &c. And above, note on Eph 1:7.​

 

[Lamb]

All the ones going on about god “giving repentance“.

Scriptural reference was given showing that repentance is a gift from God.

 

[Rens]

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion...-5-tell-tale-signs-you-might-need-deliverance

 

[Sword7]

Scriptural reference was given showing that repentance is a gift from God.

Scripture is also shown that God Leads us To that gift.
But it remains our responsibility to Do it.to Turn our minds.change our minds towards him.
This oppurtinty to do so would NEVER be available to us except for the love grace and mercy of God..and since he has made it available he calls us to Do it.
And that obedience is the action of Faith.witout which，there is no salvation.

 

[Lamb]

Isn't the Holy Spirit dwelling within you though? Doesn't He exist within you? Or has He disappeared from you? Repentance is what we do but only because God is at work in us. Is your faith so lonely or are you too arrogant to think you're on your own doing stuff?

 

[Sword7]

Isn't the Holy Spirit dwelling within you though? Doesn't He exist within you? Or has He disappeared from you? Repentance is what we do but only because God is at work in us. Is your faith so lonely or are you too arrogant to think you're on your own doing stuff?

Firstly this does not at all address the meaning of the word. Secondly and rather obviously the Holy Spirit influences but does not indwell(baptism of the holy spirit)untill After godly repentance has begun .(ref: acts 2:38).
It seems the desire of some is to remove personal responsibility from the equation ,as if that will somehow excuse us from accountability for our chosen actions.
It won't.
God had indeed made the way of righteousness freely and graciously available to us. That we might walk in it. And he certainly empowers us to do so.leaving us absolutely no excuse for not doing so.

 

[Lamb]

Only believers can truly repent (turn away from sin and toward God) and they do so by faith. Unbelievers cannot turn to God since they do not have faith. Repentance consists of not only contrition but also faith. Unbelievers can be sorrowful because they did wrong but they are stuck there unless God, through the Gospel, the Good News, turns them to Him in faith toward believing their sins are forgiven which happened at the cross.

 

[Wilhemena]

Unbelievers would not want to turn to a God that they do not believe in and even though they are sorry for their wrong doings that is not what John the Baptist, Jesus, the disciples nor all the other saints meant when they proclaimed, Repent! If one were to only be sorry for sins and have that as the satisfaction then why would God need to send His Son to die at all whereby our sins could be forgiven as there has to be a connection between repentance and our Jesus.

 

[Lamb]

Good point! Always point to the Savior

 

[MennoSota]

1 Thessalonians 1 provides a glimpse into the movement of God in the early church as God brought new born Christians to repentance (making a 180 degree turn). (See vs 9)
1 Thessalonians 1:4-9
[4]We know, dear brothers and sisters, that God loves you and has chosen you to be his own people.
[5]For when we brought you the Good News, it was not only with words but also with power, for the Holy Spirit gave you full assurance that what we said was true. And you know of our concern for you from the way we lived when we were with you.
[6]So you received the message with joy from the Holy Spirit in spite of the severe suffering it brought you. In this way, you imitated both us and the Lord.
[7]As a result, you have become an example to all the believers in Greece—throughout both Macedonia and Achaia.
[8]And now the word of the Lord is ringing out from you to people everywhere, even beyond Macedonia and Achaia, for wherever we go we find people telling us about your faith in God. We don’t need to tell them about it,
[9]for they keep talking about the wonderful welcome you gave us and how you turned away from idols to serve the living and true God.

 

[user1234]

Quote from above post, v.9b

and how you turned away from idols to serve the living and true God.

Yes, a great example of biblical repentance. So often ppl put over-emphasis on (and ONLY on) stopping sinning, or trying hard to, or sorrow or 'penance', as the definition of repentance, but really what God is desiring for us is to turn TO believing in Jesus Christ for salvation, leading us AWAY from false teaching and idols.
(Sorry for a bit of repetitiin of what previous posts said,
but I found it encouraging)