Why do some Protestants put on rock concerts?

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Why should I try something else I was brought up in the christrian faith and baptised into it, and at my age I really am not going to change now just because I dont go to church to sing hymns and pray in church, I can do that right here in the comfort of my own home., and I really don't need others to tell me I should change now thanks but no thanks. Ye I could become a catholic, or a pagan or an atheist. I'm sure that would please you ..or not..I don't need a priest to read from a book, to tell me how to behave or be nice.or whatever ...I have been doing that all my life and wont change now....Maybe you should try to understand other people..anyway that's me done .

It would not please me if you became a pagan or an atheist. But I see that you're minded to take what I write as some sort of personal reflection on you rather than a conversation about living in Christian community and participating in community prayer and worship.
 

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Yes I did,I actually thought it was insulting but never mind, but see the difference between you and me is I live with a pagan who was christian and a baptised one as a child, and she made her own mind up on that .and I don't see anything wrong with whatever people believe or not that's there choice don't you think. its not up to me to tell people what they should or shouldn't be... and that's the difference between us...I live and let live.
 

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Yes I did,I actually thought it was insulting but never mind, but see the difference between you and me is I live with a pagan who was christian and a baptised one as a child, and she made her own mind up on that .and I don't see anything wrong with whatever people believe or not that's there choice don't you think. its not up to me to tell people what they should or shouldn't be... and that's the difference between us...I live and let live.

I don't see any difference. " that's the difference between us...I live and let live" reflects what you perceive but not what I wrote nor what I think nor what I do. I don't demand anything from anybody when discussing matters on CH.
 

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Ye whatever.. I'm done on this subject you think what you like I really don't care . I will live my life as I see fit and not by some church or book . I don't need either in my life. Been there done that and no more. .. it didn't make my life any better or worse so that's it I'm done.
 
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Why should I try something else I was brought up in the christrian faith and baptised into it, and at my age I really am not going to change now just because I dont go to church to sing hymns and pray in church, I can do that right here in the comfort of my own home., and I really don't need others to tell me I should change now thanks but no thanks. Ye I could become a catholic, or a pagan or an atheist. I'm sure that would please you ..or not..I don't need a priest to read from a book, to tell me how to behave or be nice.or whatever ...I have been doing that all my life and wont change now....Maybe you should try to understand other people..anyway that's me done .

Huh? Nobody suggested becoming a pagan or an atheist. MoreCoffee suggested trying a different denomination - if you have an issue with your local Anglican church maybe try a Methodist or a Baptist or a URC church.
 

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No thanks i don't want any church what don't you get about this.. and I don't see anything wrong with being pagan or athiest as it goes. I don't judge people on what they believe or not that's there business not mine.. Christianity isn't the be all and end all of things. And others are entitled to have any faith they won't in my opinion for what it's worth... as I said before I don't need a church or book to make me a better person. I am what I am and that's all I can be ..I do what I feel is right for me and the people I love and respect. What was it jesus said something on the line of pray in private or words to that effect . Anyway I'm not getting into this again sorry ..
 

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Well I agree with you Jo and I get what shes saying..personally I dont debate people about religion I let them believe in whatever makes them happy. Church was boring to me I went to a youth group and didnt feel like I really fit in. Its different for everyone. Anyway thats my silly opinion lol ;)
 

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Two thoughts.....



1. Churches are people.... they are families...... All families include nice folks and not-always-nice folks..... All families include sinners (well, nothing but sinners) and yeah, sometimes they make that very evident..... Unless one chooses to reject people, reject groups, and live in total isolation - then we need to "deal" with the realities of groups, of families. When we look around, we see a lot of people remarkably like ourselves - flawed, at times disappointing, at times obviously sinners - with pains and hopes and fears. My father quotes a proverb: "There are two types of people in the world - those looking for greener grass and those working to make the grass greener. I belong to a very small Lutheran parish.... I joined it mostly because of the doctrine it embraces and proclaims. The vast majority of the people (including the pastor) are USUALLY loving, good people. But we have our jerks..... we have good people that sometimes say and do bad things.... there are things not done best. How it goes in life I'm very active in hopes that God will use me to make the grass greener (beginning with me). But if you search for the PERFECT church - I think you'll search and be unhappy and unincorporated until you get to heaven (where the ONLY perfect church exists). And if we insist the church do and believe exactly as we want - then we need to start our own church and realize it will have one member - and thus without the whole reason for churches.



2. IMO, one of the reasons why Chistianity seems to do better in countries like the USA is that we don't have a state religion, a dominate denomination that everyone just automatically (or almost so) belongs to. In many cities, there's a church on nearly every corner.... Methodist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, Episcopalian (probably 2 or 3 different KINDS of Lutheran or Baptist!). Something similar to capitolistic competition happens because it's EASY to changes churches, it's easy to "church shop." ONE earthly, human consequence to this (not always a good one, I agree) is that churches need to be accountable, need to be good at what they do. And they often are encouraged to be distinctive - if not in teaching, then in ministry. In that town, there will be a wide variety of choices in worship styles, for example. Frankly, this is often a good thing. I see it similar to California (where I live) and the incredible PLETHORA of restaurants we have: Mexican, Greek, Italian, Japanese, French, Korean, Indian - it's ENDLESS. One may see a single shopping center with 4 or 5 DIFFERENT ethnic restaurants in it - all different, all good (well, usually). Is this bad? Should all eat exclusively at McDonalds? Actually, I see all the choices as enriching, complementing. And if a friend of mine likes German food but not Korean - that doesn't make him bad. It just makes it good that we have a good German restaurant in town. Diversity is not always a bad thing. "Different strokes for different folks." IMO, as long as the THEOLOGY is sound..... it's not necessary to everyone to do everything the same way. At lunch, one may eat a Burrito, another a cheeseburger - it's fine.



Pax Christi


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PS Old (and bad) joke: A preacher believed that everyone should agree with him and do things as he thought best - all need to be right like he is. One Sunday he was preaching to his entirely empty church..... suddenly he interrputed himself, stopped, looked around at all the empty pews and cobwebs, looked up, and said, "Well God, it looks like it's just you and me - and I'm not too sure about you."



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PS Old (and bad) joke: A preacher believed that everyone should agree with him and do things as he thought best - all need to be right like he is. One Sunday he was preaching to his entirely empty church..... suddenly he interrputed himself, stopped, looked around at all the empty pews and cobwebs, looked up, and said, "Well God, it looks like it's just you and me - and I'm not too sure about you."

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Getting back to the thread's topic. Why do some protestant meetings end up more like a pop concert than a gathering of the faithful to worship God and build one another up in the faith?
 

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Getting back to the thread's topic. Why do some protestant meetings end up more like a pop concert than a gathering of the faithful to worship God and build one another up in the faith?


Or to look at the flip side, why do some Catholic meetings end up being more like classical music performances than a gathering of the faithful to worship God and build one another up in the faith?

I see the point of the op - I just don't see how it is limited exclusively to "some Protestants." In fact, I'm thinking of my own Catholic parish that sold TICKETS to the Christmas "PROGRAM" which - I'll freely admit - was amazingly professional and well done (just not a rock concert).


Frankly - I have nothing against classical or "pop" musical STYLES (and I doubt that God does). I've even heard of some mega church in Texas that uses country music styles for songs and things (I'm not a huge fan of country music but God might be). IMO, the "problem" is not in the musical STYLE but in what is being proclaimed in the lyrics. And if such is meant to be a performance or to impress people rather than to help people worship. I don't see the "problem" as a distinctive Protestant issue.



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Getting back to the thread's topic. Why do some protestant meetings end up more like a pop concert than a gathering of the faithful to worship God and build one another up in the faith?

Can't it be both?
 

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Getting back to the thread's topic. Why do some protestant meetings end up more like a pop concert than a gathering of the faithful to worship God and build one another up in the faith?

LOL about time to.. funny you should say this I was going to say exactly the same thing when I got here tonight...
 

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LOL about time to.. funny you should say this I was going to say exactly the same thing when I got here tonight...

I reckon it may be because they (the pop concert meetings) are intended to attract young people. But I think what they do is upset older folk because young folk don't like churches anyway, they have social media like instagram and other things to chat in and then they arrange their own meetings.
 

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Well today the church bell rung about 6 times here to remind people to go.. and that was it. I'm not sure what effect that had or not. I didn't see anyone rushing to get there that's for sure, It used to be a nice church but over the years its lost it's, I'm not sure what its lost, but its lost it anyway lol.
 

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no church bells ring here.
 

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Well today the church bell rung about 6 times here to remind people to go.. and that was it. I'm not sure what effect that had or not. I didn't see anyone rushing to get there that's for sure, It used to be a nice church but over the years its lost it's, I'm not sure what its lost, but its lost it anyway lol.

They didn't lose the bell.
 

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They didn't lose the bell.

hahahaha good point i wish it would tho....it woke me up..maybe that's what its meant to do..
 

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hahahaha good point i wish it would tho....it woke me up..maybe that's what its meant to do..

The church building down the street from me use to have a bell that rang for Sunday School. LOL.
 
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