What sin did Mary do?

[George]

Saint John Chrysostom said that Mary was guilty of the sin of vanity at the miracle of Cana.

 

[Brighten04]

What sin did Mary do?
She was born.

 

[George]

What sin did Mary do?
She was born.

Is it a sin to be born?

 

[Lamb]

We are sinful since conception according to Psalm 51:5

 

[Brighten04]

Is it a sin to be born?

Mankind inherited the sin nature from Adam. It is passed from generation to generation. That is why we have to be born again of the Holy Ghost. This is why we need Lord Jesus, the last Adam.

 

[Josiah]

George,

I can't specify any sin on the part of Mary. But then I can't for you, either. But THAT is not sufficient basis to declare it is a dogmatic fact of highest importance and certainty possible that ergo you were conceived sinless and remain without sin. It ONLY means that I can't document any specific sin committed by you.


Josiah

 

[George]

George,

I can't specify any sin on the part of Mary. But then I can't for you, either. But THAT is not sufficient basis to declare it is a dogmatic fact of highest importance and certainty possible that ergo you were conceived sinless and remain without sin. It ONLY means that I can't document any specific sin committed by you.


Josiah

In a book I'm reading, this is one of the topics they brought up about Mary. It further went on to disagree with the Immaculate Conception, which I also disagree with.

 

[Josiah]

In a book I'm reading, this is one of the topics they brought up about Mary. It further went on to disagree with the Immaculate Conception, which I also disagree with.

I think some theorize about Our Lady when it would be better to shut up. I find this about equally among Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants.

My Greek Orthodox friend often comments about "the inability to shut up." She has a good point, it seems to be a problem.

 

[TurtleHare]

Saint John Chrysostom said that Mary was guilty of the sin of vanity at the miracle of Cana.

Jesus worked his first miracle at Cana and Mary knew her son well and was sure he would make provisions as it was a part of his character. George, what do you mean that she had the sin of vanity because I haven't heard this quote about mary before?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Saint John Chrysostom said that Mary was guilty of the sin of vanity at the miracle of Cana.

Was saint John Chrysostom right or mistaken? Blessed Mary asked her Son our Lord to deal with the situation regarding wine at the wedding feast and the Lord replied affectionately "Lady, what has this to do with you or with me?" and then Blessed Mary said to the servants "do whatever he tells you" and the Lord told them to make ready seven large containers full of water which he by a miracle of grace turned into wine of very good quality. In this story there seems to be no pride.

 

[Lamb]

John Chrysostom felt that Mary sinned with vanity because she wanted to show her power and authority over her son to the crowd. That is his interpretation of the events that happened.

My interpretation was that she had confidence that Jesus would not disappoint people at the wedding.


Here is a long thread I am reading going over this exact conversation we're having:
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00ADRh

 

[psalms 91]

I agree that we dont know and thats fine the only thing I will say is that she did sin as she was flesh

 

[Brighten04]

I don't see what the fuss is about. Mary was born a sinner. She didn't have to do anything. The flawed sin nature from Adam was in her.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't see what the fuss is about. Mary was born a sinner. She didn't have to do anything. The flawed sin nature from Adam was in her.

Blessed Mary was redeemed from the moment of her conception, she did not sin herself and the sin of origin (ancestral sin) was cleansed at her conception by an act of grace from God through Jesus Christ because Christ's atonement applies to all the children of Adam (and Eve) both those born after his crucifixion and those born before.

 

[Rens]

Saint John Chrysostom said that Mary was guilty of the sin of vanity at the miracle of Cana.

Hm doesnt sound as sin to me. She did say He was out of His mind.

 

[Josiah]

Blessed Mary was redeemed from the moment of her conception, she did not sin herself and the sin of origin (ancestral sin) was cleansed at her conception by an act of grace from God through Jesus Christ because Christ's atonement applies to all the children of Adam (and Eve) both those born after his crucifixion and those born before.

Since you say so....

Personally, I find nearly every word of that to be entirely, completely, absolutely baseless.... Such statements I think cause most people to seriously doubt anything Catholics say, which is unfortunate because sometimes they are correct.


- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since you say so....

Personally, I find nearly every word of that to be entirely, completely, absolutely baseless.... Such statements I think cause most people to seriously doubt anything Catholics say, which is unfortunate because sometimes they are correct.


- Josiah

Perhaps most Protestant people but surely not most people.

 

[psalms 91]

Problem is that it is speculation and flies against what is written concerning flesh and original sin.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I do not think it is speculative theology. It is dogmatic theology. It has apostolic tradition as its basis.

 

[~Jo~]

Surely the only sin mary committed was having a child by another man she wasn't married to..maybe