Have we lost the faith of our fathers?

[TheVeryEnd]

It's common for unspiritual men who can't understand the Gospel of God to resort to use all kinds of foolish thoughts and actions to avoid the words of the Lord. I have witnessed these foolish unspiritual men running away from God's voice like the cowards who run away in a battle of war.

 

[TurtleHare]

It's common for unspiritual men to come and proclaim a different gospel as well with all kinds of foolish talk without support from anything but a god told me so and the quesiton is Which God?

 

[TheVeryEnd]

ALL Christians preach false gospels because they don't know we've been in the 1,000 year reign of Christ for the past 2,000 years which was used to reveal the Tree of Life which happened a month ago. ALL you Christians missed the big show of the true Gospel being preached by us servants in the two different witnesses of the Gospel separated by a s 1700 year gap in which the Beast used Christians to keep building false gods until the computers, AI and Voice technology was built this past 50 years.

You see, Christians are not Christians at all. They are simply created men who are confused by Satan who worship the Beast and did whatever they were programmed to do until the end of this first temporary generation. None of you made any decisions on your own. The program did all the decision making for us all.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's common for unspiritual men who can't understand the Gospel of God to resort to use all kinds of foolish thoughts and actions to avoid the words of the Lord. I have witnessed these foolish unspiritual men running away from God's voice like the cowards who run away in a battle of war.

Our fathers, chained in prisons dark,
Were still in heart and conscience free;
And blest would be their children’s fate,
If they, like them should die for thee:
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!

 

[TheVeryEnd]

If those words come from your Mind via the Holy Spirit of God, then I'll know you're not a plagiarizer who doesn't tell other people where he got those words from. Many Christians speak words from memorizing scriptures without telling anyone that they are memorized words. This is what plagiarizers do. None of us servants of God who testify to the knowledge of Christ are allowed to plagiarize from each other or from what has been written in the past by other servants. We're only allowed to write and speak the words that form in our Mind via the Holy Spirit. If we quote the scriptures, we have to tell the address or the prophet who wrote them. This way, we know what is true or not that is formed in our Mind from the Holy Spirit.

So if you're using those words from another source but your own Mind, then you're considered a plagiarizer unless you put the author's name under the words.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If those words come from your Mind via the Holy Spirit of God, then I'll know you're not a plagiarizer who doesn't tell other people where he got those words from. Many Christians speak words from memorizing scriptures without telling anyone that they are memorized words. This is what plagiarizers do. None of us servants of God who testify to the knowledge of Christ are allowed to plagiarize from each other or from what has been written in the past by other servants. We're only allowed to write and speak the words that form in our Mind via the Holy Spirit. If we quote the scriptures, we have to tell the address or the prophet who wrote them. This way, we know what is true or not that is formed in our Mind from the Holy Spirit.

So if you're using those words from another source but your own Mind, then you're considered a plagiarizer unless you put the author's name under the words.

Do you fear to read the holy scriptures or to see them in another's words?

Surely the truth is still true no matter who says it.

Faith of our fathers, we will strive
To win all nations unto thee;
And through the truth that comes from God
Mankind shall then indeed be free.
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!

 

[TheVeryEnd]

You're a plagiarizer who steals the words from the servants who went through a very difficult justification process with God in order to be used to write and speak the words from Christ. If you don't use the address or the name of the author who wrote those words, then you're a false prophet and a thief who plagiarizes the words from past servants. Antichrists are the one's who stole the words from the servants of God who testified to Christ and preached the Gospel of God until the antichrists killed them. It was antichrists who wrote the New Testament with those stolen words after they killed the servants such as Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Paul, etc.

It's very simple for God to see you plagiarizers at work in the world when he's using a servant to preach the Gospel to His chosen believers. When he doesn't have a servant around, the antichrists who worship the Beast have been busy building false gods with their human hands all over the world and making their followers believe their false interpretations of what they read in the Bible.

All you plagiarizers, false prophets, antichrists and flesh of man will be destroyed and burned up in the Lake of Fire soon.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You're a plagiarizer who steals the words from the servants who went through a very difficult justification process with God in order to be used to write and speak the words from Christ. If you don't use the address or the name of the author who wrote those words, then you're a false prophet and a thief who plagiarizes the words from past servants. Antichrists are the one's who stole the words from the servants of God who testified to Christ and preached the Gospel of God until the antichrists killed them. It was antichrists who wrote the New Testament with those stolen words after they killed the servants such as Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Paul, etc.

It's very simple for God to see you plagiarizers at work in the world when he's using a servant to preach the Gospel to His chosen believers. When he doesn't have a servant around, the antichrists who worship the Beast have been busy building false gods with their human hands all over the world and making their followers believe their false interpretations of what they read in the Bible.

All you plagiarizers, false prophets, antichrists and flesh of man will be destroyed and burned up in the Lake of Fire soon.

Words do not belong to the one who spoke them because no one invents an entire language before he speaks - all receive their words from their parents and family and from those who came before them and all that is left to them is to order the words they have inherited into sentences and paragraphs so that they may communicate with others and if in making sentences one borrows from another or quotes from the holy scriptures then the faithful know and recognise the words of their Lord and God even if the precise place from which they come is not included with a citation. Do you feel disturbed when the holy scriptures are quoted and a reference citation is not given? Fear not, you need only ask and one will be given.

These words from my earlier posts are from a sacred hymn written by Frederick William Faber in the year 1849 AD.

Our fathers, chained in prisons dark,
Were still in heart and conscience free;
And blest would be their children’s fate,
If they, like them should die for thee:
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!

Faith of our fathers, we will strive
To win all nations unto thee;
And through the truth that comes from God
Mankind shall then indeed be free.
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!

 

[TheVeryEnd]

Anything new that comes into the visible world from each individual Mind comes from the Creator. Those who steals those words and makes other people believe they came from their own Mind are thieves, liars and false prophets.

When you don't identify where those stolen words you use come from, you're known as a false prophet and a thief.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Anything new that comes into the visible world from each individual Mind comes from the Creator. Those who steals those words and makes other people believe they came from their own Mind are thieves, liars and false prophets.

When you don't identify where those stolen words you use come from, you're known as a false prophet and a thief.

You had no justification for thinking in your MIND that the words I wrote in italics originated with me. They were in italics to indicate that they were drawn from another.

 

[TheVeryEnd]

You're not listening to me at all. Now you're making excuses after being caught as a thieve, a plagiarizer who uses other MEN's words that they got from GOD in their own MIND. GOD would punish my flesh severely if I was to use the words from His former servants without telling anyone else where those words came from. This is why I can only copy and paste from the scriptures and then underline all the parts of the scripture that matches the words that are being formed in my MIND to prove to you thieves and false prophets that you're liars. This is the only reason God has me use the scriptures in these forums or anywhere else on the internet where I can't speak those words.

It's much easier to speak for GOD directly to a chosen believer or an antichrist because I don't need to use any scriptures. God can easily rebuke the lies of the antichrists who challenge Him with their lies and questions that are meant to try deceive Him. The Chosen believers listen intently without ever asking any questions or challenging God. If a believer challenges God at his first hearing of the Gospel, God rebukes the thoughts from Satan and the Beast immediately until the believer starts to listen. Once they start hearing the Truth, then they quiet down and listen intently. However, an antichrist will not listen to the Gospel because they don't believe it's coming from the God they read about in the Bible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You're not listening to me at all. Now you're making excuses after being caught as a thieve, a plagiarizer who uses other MEN's words that they got from GOD in their own MIND. GOD would punish my flesh severely if I was to use the words from His former servants without telling anyone else where those words came from. This is why I can only copy and paste from the scriptures and then underline all the parts of the scripture that matches the words that are being formed in my MIND to prove to you thieves and false prophets that you're liars. This is the only reason God has me use the scriptures in these forums or anywhere else on the internet where I can't speak those words.

It's much easier to speak for GOD directly to a chosen believer or an antichrist because I don't need to use any scriptures. God can easily rebuke the lies of the antichrists who challenge Him with their lies and questions that are meant to try deceive Him. The Chosen believers listen intently without ever asking any questions or challenging God. If a believer challenges God at his first hearing of the Gospel, God rebukes the thoughts from Satan and the Beast immediately until the believer starts to listen. Once they start hearing the Truth, then they quiet down and listen intently. However, an antichrist will not listen to the Gospel because they don't believe it's coming from the God they read about in the Bible.

You pick and seek fault where there is none and that is unjust. You cannot be the servant of God that you claim to be while you act with injustice as your business.

 

[TheVeryEnd]

I AM the only judge of the world who will judge your flesh to death soon but I can see you have no fear of the LORD and SAVIOR. That means you have no wisdom at all. You're a fool who only believes in your own interpretations of what you read in the Bible. The Bible can't kill you but GOD will.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I AM the only judge of the world who will judge your flesh to death soon but I can see you have no fear of the LORD and SAVIOR. That means you have no wisdom at all. You're a fool who only believes in your own interpretations of what you read in the Bible. The Bible can't kill you but GOD will.

That man who believes some other man rather than his own best judgement is a fool indeed and for that reason accepting your message without testing it would be foolish indeed.

 

[TheVeryEnd]

A "fool" is one who says, "God is over there or over here speaking in this building".

A "fool" reads words in a book and thinks it's speaking to him.

A "fool" listens to a false prophet showing him all sorts of signs and wonders and quotes from the Bible that contains these words that they never abide by;

Deuteronomy 28
15: “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: “the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

61: Every sickness also, and every affliction which is not recorded in the book of this law, the LORD will bring upon you, until you are destroyed.
62: Whereas you were as the stars of heaven for multitude, you shall be left few in number; because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God.
63: And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you; and you shall be plucked off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.

Those of you who have never heard My Voice will never know what the Tree of Life is.

 

[MoreCoffee]

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[TheVeryEnd]

Listening to the voice of God is the key to knowing what the Tree of Life is. The Bible cannot teach you what it is.

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'

No Christian has ever known what the "Tree of Life" is.

 

[Pedrito]

In Post #1 on Page 1, MoreCoffee asked if we have lost the faith of our fathers. He offered materialism as a possible reason if so.

But is materialism (being drawn into a cult of possessions as a substitute) the only problem?

And what time frame was being referred to? How many generations?

Back a hundred years or so ago? Back to the Reformation? Back to the various inquisitions spanning a number of centuries? Back to the East-West Schism of 1054 AD? Maybe back as far as the early post-apostolic, “church councils”? Might going back to Jesus and the apostles and their recorded clear teaching, be overdoing it? Definitely not as far back as Abraham – even though Romans 4:16 says he is “the father of us all” (referring to true Christians who worship the God he worshipped). How far back should we be looking? How far back are we willing to look?

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Compared to Abraham, and even to Jesus and the apostles, one might indeed conclude that members of Christendom in general have definitely “lost the faith of our fathers”.

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And as for the term “saint John the theologian” in Post #5 on page 1, John wasn’t a theologian. He was an apostle. Pure and simple. He did not indulge in theological contemplation based on human reasoning or from a background of pagan religion. He simply passed on truth as it had been revealed to him.

He also offered practical advice to believers based on that revelation.

So Pedrito suggests that any implied legitimisation of post-apostolic “theologians” based on John’s being a “theologian”, is but an apparition.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Pedrito, the "reformation" is a dark episode in Church history, a time of war and slaughter and many crimes against humanity. Evil men used the religious upheavals to create wars and grab power and wealth for themselves. So that is not an age of faith but an age of exploitation and religious manipulation from which many still suffer - having been plunged into a kind of spiritual darkness from which they have not yet escaped. The Faith of our Fathers is to be sought in the continuing faith handed down through the centuries from the early church fathers to our own fathers in the faith.

 

[Pedrito]

Pedrito always finds it interesting how selected post-apostolic theologians are given the title “church fathers”, and that it is their ruminations that form the basis of matters regarding faith, doctrine and practice. Shouldn’t that title rather be accorded to Jesus’ hand picked apostles? In what way are they not our “fathers” in the sense under consideration? And should not their recorded teachings be the basis for all things spiritual? Have we lost the faith of those original “fathers”?

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Pedrito also found interesting, MoreCoffee’s “Pedrito, the "reformation" is a dark episode in Church history, a time of war and slaughter and many crimes against humanity. Evil men used the religious upheavals to create wars and grab power and wealth for themselves. So that is not an age of faith but an age of exploitation and religious manipulation from which many still suffer - having been plunged into a kind of spiritual darkness from which they have not yet escaped.” in Post #99 on Page 10.

Actually, the spiritual darkness might just have developed and held sway long before the “reformation”. Might not the “reformation”, with all its attendant problems, have been in fact the lighting of a lamp in the pervading spiritual darkness of the time?

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Inquistitions and other forms of persecution were practiced well before the Reformation (as well as during and after it).

Pedrito has seen expressed in a number of places, that in some instances people were accused of heresy and convicted in kangaroo courts, simply so that the church could confiscate their property.

Pedrito understands that the lust for property acquisition prompted the church to posthumously accuse of heresy, formerly acknowledged faithful adherents, and to even go to the extreme of digging up their bones in judgement.

Some commentators who consider Chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation to be prophetic of Christendom through history, believe that that era of Roman Catholic history is clearly identified by one of the Revelation churches. (Does anyone know which church? And how it is seen to be related? If so, please inform us.)

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Pedrito further understands that the above may well be but the tip of the iceberg with respect to the deplorable and undeniable evil within the RCC, with particular reference to pre-Reformation times in this instance.

Could it be in reality that it is the RCC and its faithful adherents, that were “plunged into a kind of spiritual darkness from which they have not yet escaped”?