Students who leave school to protest

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This is a very important statement especially in regards to thinking of what happens to students once they are no longer students and out in the real world. If we get up and walk out of our jobs to go protest I doubt there would be too many bosses who respect that move. Even scheduling it ahead of time would most likely be a no no since it shows lack of caring for the company and a boss would begin to wonder how many times this employee would want to leave to protest just about anything.

Even if the protest were arranged ahead of time and the student made a request to take the test at some other time the focus is still very much on the student expecting timetables to revolve around the individual, rather than the individual sticking to the timetable. There are times when that sort of thing can happen easily but nobody should assume everything can be changed around to suit them. Of course they could always protest at some other time.

It's one thing to take time out at short notice to deal with an emergency simply because they can't be predicted in advance and by their very nature have to be dealt with right now. If an employee wants to book a day's vacation time to go and protest something that's between them and their employer, but the crucial issue is that they get to do it on their own time.
 

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If I were a professor, and a student came to me beforehand to request the opportunity to be able to make up a test or other work required in order to participate in a protest, I would of course take into consideration that student's performance in my class. I don't really mean the grade they are carrying, but more their attitude and work ethic. If they were a slacker, barely doing the work, and/or a disruptive or disrespectful student I might be less inclined to make allowances. But, the mere fact that they came to me beforehand to ask permission would carry a lot of weight in and of itself. It would also depend on what was planned for that day...a quiz would be easier to make up than a final exam, for example.
 

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If I were a professor, and a student came to me beforehand to request the opportunity to be able to make up a test or other work required in order to participate in a protest, I would of course take into consideration that student's performance in my class. I don't really mean the grade they are carrying, but more their attitude and work ethic. If they were a slacker, barely doing the work, and/or a disruptive or disrespectful student I might be less inclined to make allowances. But, the mere fact that they came to me beforehand to ask permission would carry a lot of weight in and of itself. It would also depend on what was planned for that day...a quiz would be easier to make up than a final exam, for example.

This makes a lot of sense - as you say a class quiz would be easier to make up and allowing an extra day to submit an assignment might be permissible. Rescheduling a major exam would be much less achievable, not least because of the possibility of other students giving advice on what the questions were going to be.

Someone requesting permission in advance and who is normally a good student could be granted some flexibility but it can only go so far. Re-reading the original question and the reference to "tests", if a test is merely a benchmark to see how well everybody is coping with the course so far (i.e. it has little to no impact on the final grade awarded) it arguably makes little difference if a student skips it completely (although that decision could come back with teeth if for some reason the student needs special consideration with regard to the final exam - perhaps due to an emergency - and their scores at informal tests end up being considered) but if it carries any weight at all then the scope to grant flexibility diminishes significantly.

In that regard I suppose it becomes like an employee requesting vacation time to attend a protest. If it can be done on the person's own time then it works but just like an employee couldn't expect special treatment when requesting vacation so a student can't expect special treatment either. Where an employee might be denied the time off, perhaps because it was the busiest time of year at work, so a student might be denied the opportunity to reschedule because the test was of significant importance. In that situation if they chose to attend the protest anyway they would need to be awarded a zero score in the test.

It reminds me of the story about the four chemistry students who attended a party the night before their final exam only to realise none of them were fit to drive home. So they stopped overnight, arrived back at class the next morning explaining to the professor that they were late for their exam because they had been studying at the library and got a flat tire on the way back, which made them late. Because they were straight-A students the professor accepted their explanation and said they could take the test the following day. He sat them at the four corners of the room and sat down to invigilate the exam. They all breathed a sigh of relief when they saw the first question, worth 5 marks out of the total 100, which was a very simple question about chemical reactions. Then they turned the page and saw "Question 2 (95 marks): Which tire?"
 

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What about high school students? My former high school wouldn't tolerate students who chose to leave the building to go to a protest because it would be disruptive to the other students. Teachers barely allowed students to make up tests when they were out sick so I doubt they'd allow tests to be made up for that unless they favored the student.
 

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What about high school students? My former high school wouldn't tolerate students who chose to leave the building to go to a protest because it would be disruptive to the other students. Teachers barely allowed students to make up tests when they were out sick so I doubt they'd allow tests to be made up for that unless they favored the student.

What if the student had parental permission to be involved in the peaceful non-violent protest?
 

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What if the student had parental permission to be involved in the peaceful non-violent protest?

When students are truant, they are truant.... there is no provision in the Law for having the permission of parents. Parental permission does not cancel the law in the USA (maybe it does in Australia).

There are 133 hours in a week when a high school student can exercise civil protest and not impact school at all. I find it absurd to insist the only time this can be done is when school is in session.


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What if the student had parental permission to be involved in the peaceful non-violent protest?

What if they did?

Life involves choices. Parental permission doesn't mean the world has to change to cater to the individual. If you choose the protest over the test you fail the test.
 

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What if they did?

Life involves choices. Parental permission doesn't mean the world has to change to cater to the individual. If you choose the protest over the test you fail the test.
Yup as it should be
 

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Here' it's a fairly simple matter for primary/secondary students to garner an excused absence with parental cooperation. This may involve, for example, the parent lying to say the student was sick. Of course, this would set a bad example to the child, to have their parents use deception to get an excused absence for them. I don't think minors should be allowed to protest without personal adult supervision anyway.
 

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When my daughter was hospitalized for an extended period we had a difficult time convincing teachers to let her make up tests! I personally spoke with the Principal to get something done and if any of you know me in real life, I'm extremely bashful so that was a bold move for me.

I don't think students are entitled to do any make up work if they choose to not attend a needed class. Their priorities to me show they didn't care to be there ;)
 

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When students are truant, they are truant.... there is no provision in the Law for having the permission of parents. Parental permission does not cancel the law in the USA (maybe it does in Australia).
There are 133 hours in a week when a high school student can exercise civil protest and not impact school at all. I find it absurd to insist the only time this can be done is when school is in session.
- Josiah

What of religious holidays, a Jew for example, or a Muslim, or a Christian taking a day off to observe a holy day? Is parental permission irrelevant then too?
 

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What of religious holidays, a Jew for example, or a Muslim, or a Christian taking a day off to observe a holy day? Is parental permission irrelevant then too?

Yes. Unless the district has a policy regarding such days. But you are still very confused..... if there is a religious holiday on a school day, then there's a conflict and the district MAY or MAY NOT have a policy about that. But civil protest need not happen between 9:00 and 3:00 ON A GIVEN DAY. You keep evading and dodging that. There are 168 hours in a week, at most 35 of those involve school. That leaves 133 hours when this civil protest can happen without violating truancy laws.


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Some regard politics as important, as important as religion.
 

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Josiah is right. Students are required by law in most states to attend a certain amount of school days. There are some holidays built in to the school year calendar and others by special permission. Martin Luther King's birthday is celebrated by a lot of schools but at the schools where it is not, students just cannot take the day off!
 

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Josiah is right. Students are required by law in most states to attend a certain amount of school days. There are some holidays built in to the school year calendar and others by special permission. Martin Luther King's birthday is celebrated by a lot of schools but at the schools where it is not, students just cannot take the day off!

Home schooling is illegal?
 

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Home schooled children do not attend state or religious schools. They are not truant if they have parental permission to attend protests. Their 'school' allows it.
 

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That is not what is happening you are vectoring into areas that this story is not about. They are walking out of high schools and colleges, not home schooled, as you tell others stay on topic
 

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It's the principle of truant that was the immediate subject. It does not apply to home schooled, it need not apply to children excused by parental request/requirement and it need not apply to student attending political protests if they have permission from their parents. The schools are intended to serve the tax payers not lord it over them as masters.
 
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