Trump: Our New President

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The voters had the choice between two seriously flawed candidates and evidently decided they had had enough of business as usual in Washington, preferring the unknown over more of the same. "Better the devil you know" only goes so far, and I think the election proved it.

The majority of voters elected Hillary Clinton. But the USA made a very very big mistake. That's why they have president elect Donald Trump.
 

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The majority of voters elected Hillary Clinton. But the USA made a very very big mistake. That's why they have president elect Donald Trump.

You keep saying we made a big mistake. Time will tell. Let's not get into assuming Trump is going to be an unmitigated disaster while Clinton would have been all sweetness and roses.

What the popular vote says is of no consequence - the electoral college decides. That's the way the system has been designed, it's a system that gives far more voice to the relatively unpopulated areas than a simple democracy would provide, and it's worked for decades. It's not as if Clinton won the popular vote by a huge margin but still lost the election - the figures I saw suggest a margin of a little over 250,000 votes when each had north of 50,000,000 votes.

Personally I think a system that gives sufficient weight to LA, DC and NYC that those three cities alone could outweigh the combined votes of a dozen states or more would be a disaster in the making. NYC alone has a population larger than Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming all put together. Where is the sense in allowing the population of a small number of large cities to override the wishes of millions of people across multiple states?

It's constantly pointing to the fact government should be smaller. Instead of populist measures that result in little more than the tyranny of the majority, focus on getting out of the way and managing things in more detail locally. If the big city wants endless rules and regulations to avoid conflict between neighbors who are rammed into ever-smaller spaces let them do just that, but don't expect those same rules to apply in rural Montana where your nearest neighbour might be a mile away.

If California does secede I wonder if the remaining 49 states would ever elect a Democrat. With the loss of 55 electoral college votes under the current system, or millions of votes under the popular vote system, the Democrats would struggle to regain traction.
 

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It's not "going to be an unmitigated disaster" he already is an unmitigated disaster. :p
 

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Donald Trump didn't win. He didn't win the popular vote. He's a long way behind on that, 460,000 votes behind so far.
 

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He chose a christian vice president. Someone prophecied that.
 

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Donald Trump didn't win. He didn't win the popular vote. He's a long way behind on that, 460,000 votes behind so far.

As much as I did not want to see Clinton win I do want to state that I've been against the electoral college for years. I realize that the main cities of the country would be the ones in control but I also see that in that scenario EVERY vote would indeed count as a vote for the President. With the electoral college, not every vote actually goes for the President but for the state to go to vote for President.
 

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Yup a totally flawed system
 

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It's not "going to be an unmitigated disaster" he already is an unmitigated disaster. :p

He's already a disaster? He hasn't even taken office yet.
 

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As much as I did not want to see Clinton win I do want to state that I've been against the electoral college for years. I realize that the main cities of the country would be the ones in control but I also see that in that scenario EVERY vote would indeed count as a vote for the President. With the electoral college, not every vote actually goes for the President but for the state to go to vote for President.


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Ironically, the only national voice against the Electoral College for many years now has been (hold on to your hat, lol)..... Donald Trump. I'm sure he's changed his mind as of Tuesday night, lol. Of course, this same thing happened in 2000, with Bush vs. Gore. But even after the re-count and the whole dangling chad thing and the Supreme Court getting involved (it was a whole lot messier than this time), NO ONE suggested any change in how we do this: Not Al Gore, not the Democratic Party, not a single one of the 50 states. Only Donald Trump. And NOTHING happened. NO bills were introduced about this..... NO statements came from either party.... Even Gore did not suggest any change.


We have a rule book. It's called the Constitution. We play by the rules. It's absurd to cry big tears AFTER the game is over and say, "But the rules I accepted were bad!" If that happened at a Little League game, we'd tell that little boy to stop crying and grow up.


The USA was not set up as a federal republic, we were set up as a confederation of states. Foreigners often don't know or appreciate this.... but in reality, a lot of Americans don't realize this either - especially since we've had a very big, very powerful Federal government since FDR began to create that in the 1930's. When FDR came to power, several US States had bigger budgets than the Federal government - and Congress only met a few weeks out of the year, with no Congressman being full time (they all had "day jobs") - oh how things have changed! And that FUNCTIONAL change had led many to forget we are united STATES. Anyway, the Electoral College comes (partly) out of that construction. There are advantages to it, there are disadvantages. PERSONALLY, I agree it should be eliminated (which of course requires a constitutional amendment - something VERY hard to do) but I've give a 0% chance that that actually will happen - the vast majority of states would have everything to loose and nothing to gain by that - and thus would have no reason to support the change (and it would take 2/3's of them to support it for it to happen). BUT in 240 years, there has not been ONE - not even ONE - effort to do that. Not even by the states that would gain (California, New York, Texas, etc.).... not even by those who got the short end of this (Al Gore, now Hillary Clinton, etc.). Ain't going to happen. What is, is. I'd support it but then I'm a Californian.




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He's already a disaster? He hasn't even taken office yet.
First he will have to take his foot out of his mouth and apologize to women, veterans, hispanics, mexicans, and gold star families. This man has been and perobably will continue to be a disaster
 

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He's already a disaster? He hasn't even taken office yet.

That is a happy circumstance, perhaps he never will?
 

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That is a happy circumstance, perhaps he never will?

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Smash the trumpkin!

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