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The trouble with the legal approach is that it's expensive and very time-consuming.

If you enter the US legally in the "immediate relative" category it costs in the region of $1500 and takes several months. I don't know about the costs for other categories but I understand it can take several years before you're allowed entry. Or you can go through a tunnel and disappear.

I can't help thinking a lot of immigration issues would be resolved if there were fewer social programs run by the government. That way we could make it easier for people to come in if they wanted to but make it clear that if they don't support themselves they can't assume anyone else will do it for them.

You are right about the social programs. In the past, legal immigrants had to have a sponsor, be healthy and also have a conventional job and study to learn English and become American citizens. Since the liberal elements in our government took all of that away in past decades, everything has eroded into the big mess we have today.

And, to be fair, it was not all liberals. There are cowardly conservatives -- too afraid to take a firm stance -- that helped allow it to happen.
 
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Moral change in the US and Canada, and a cessation of the lust for illegal drugs which hugely disrupt Latin American countries would improve the situation immensely and take away the lucrative trade of drug dealers in places like Mexico. If one's family is being threatened in Mexico, the instinct of many ppl is to flee. So who are the ultimate "illegals"? the threatened families? the drug dealers? how about the illegal users of drugs in North America?

And how about the Hispanic young people for whom the US is all that they have ever known? condemned to be a document-less underclass, while many of them not having known any other country. Maybe those in the US and Canada who lust for illegal drugs are more culpably "illegal" than they are: than they, who have never known anything but an underclass existence in the US and are not morally responsible for it, their crime being to be alive and breathing.

Moral change in America and Canada are not really pre-requisites to stop illegal immigration. This is a nation of laws and, like any other nation, has borders that should not be violated. We could talk about the drug problems in America, but we'd also have to include the fact that much of that illegal drug traffic comes from Mexico -- and much of it comes straight across our border.

It is unfortunate that Hispanic children are caught up in the mess created by their parents who come here illegally. Many of these kids are known as "anchor babies" because their parents enter the USA illegally and manage to have a baby over here. It is unwise for the law to consider these foreign babies to be American citizens because, in reality, they were born to illegals in the first place -- which should subsequently classify them as illegals also. In this case, they should be citizens of Mexico as their parents are.

As for America being the only place they've ever known? That is not your fault. It is not my fault. It is not America's fault. It was their parents' fault. And, if/when the parents are deported, their kids should accompany them back to Mexico. It is a hardline stance -- but truly is the only logical choice. When the "anchor baby" scheme is rendered kaput, Mexican men and women will lose part of the incentive to sneak into our country and get pregnant in order to shame us into letting them stay here.

it is a tough situation, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. These people are welcome to apply for re-entry to the USA if they should be deported -- but they should also have to go to the end of the line and allow preference to those Mexicans who are trying to immigrate the decent and legal way -- through our front door instead of sneaking in the back.
 

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Great points, Highlander! I like it that you place the blame on the parents instead of those affected by the parents' decisions!
 

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Great points, Highlander! I like it that you place the blame on the parents instead of those affected by the parents' decisions!
If your family were threatened by drug dealers in Mexico, the instinct would probably be to flee. I work with immigrants, and 'blame the victim' is not the solution to everything. This does not excuse crossing borders without the proper papers, but it does not start there.
 

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No but the border should be secured to prevent it
 

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Yeah as really need to have a huge and strict background check on those that enter the border.
 

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Before all of this started I actually had a lot of respect for Trump and what he did. Now I have 0. Even the PGA of America (golf) ended their partnership with him.
 

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If he had any class at all he would drop out of the race
 

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I think I probably respect Donald Trump's views on real estate issues. But otherwise I don't think I pay much attention to his ideas.
 

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I consider him a narcissist and dont really pay a lot of attention to him at all
 

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On a more or less positive note ... he provides news readers with somebody to hate
 

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Donald Trump -- A Democrat Candidate's Candidate.

He truly is the best Republican candidate they could have hoped for. That is, one that's going to severely tarnish the Republican brand.
 

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How would Trump tarnish the Repub brand? He speaks out in defense of traditional American values.

Why would you think of that as tarnishing?
 
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Are they all criminals Yes are they all VIOLENT criminals no.
 

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Do they cost the taxpayer and the state? Yes they do. Should it be stopped? Absolutely
 

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Do they cost the taxpayer and the state? Yes they do. Should it be stopped? Absolutely
Yes, but that alone is not why it needs to be stopped; because if that were the sole reason it could be argued that EVERYONE who cannot work cost the state.
 

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Citizens are one thing, illegals are quite something else. You are right that that is not the only reason but it is one that most can identify with. Especially those states where social services is overrun with this problem and they dont have enough money.
 

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Citizens are one thing, illegals are quite something else. You are right that that is not the only reason but it is one that most can identify with. Especially those states where social services is overrun with this problem and they dont have enough money.
Well, anyone who abuses the system ( even if he or she is a citizen) something needs to be done.
 

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Well, anyone who abuses the system ( even if he or she is a citizen) something needs to be done.
Exactly why a stop has to be made to illegal immigration
 
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