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Bottom line, we are not responsible for the conditions in Mexico and we need to secure our borders
 

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Secure the borders from what?
 

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From illegal immigration not to mention the danger of terrorists coming across, the illegals drain our resources and it really would not be that hard to secure the border
 

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...but look at how it works in practice. For example, in Honduras the US military and intelligence was tasked with millions of dollars to interdict arms supplies between the Nicaraguan Sandinistas and Salvadorean guerrillas. But there was a rule - the Boland Amendment - which said that US efforts were not to have the purpose of overthrowing the Nicaraguan government. Sponsoring the exiled, US funded Nicaraguan Contras to harass the Sandinistas without pressurizing their destabilizing was an exercise in contradictory semantics.

If in practice for decades, US companies controlled most of the exports of Central American republics, then - whatever words might be used on Capitol Hill - expecting those companies or the officials of those countries' governments to stop acting in those companies' interests was unrealistic. Of course, some form of words could easily be found to describe what a convenient official aspiration might be, but the underlying realities would not be significantly changed.

Similarly if Mexico, part of NAFTA, has for decades had much lower wages than the US, then it's in the US companies' interests to manufacture in Mexico, and then through NAFTA to have the opportunity to bring manufactured goods tariff-free into the US. No rule or aspiration otherwise - however sincerely cited - can be expected to cause the US corporations to cease to act in their own interests. The alternative would mean virtually abrogating NAFTA and creating a union-driven fortress US economy with import controls, in unrealistic defiance of globalization. The CIA would never buy this.

But it still comes back to the government enacting legislation and then people and corporations being criticised for taking advantage of the provisions of that legislation.

If the law says you are free to enter my property and take anything you like, I can hardly blame you for taking advantage of the law. A more suitable response would be to blame the people who passed the law in the first place.

The politicians allegedly represent the people, no?
 

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From illegal immigration not to mention the danger of terrorists coming across, the illegals drain our resources and it really would not be that hard to secure the border
I reckon USA's terrorists have been mostly home grown or very legal.
 

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Yeah although there are others who want to use our wide open borders. They really do need to control who comes into this country and eliminate all the illegals
 

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Trump is now praising Trump supporters, on the one hand, and questioning whether Senator John McCain is a war hero.

I think physicist Professor Robert Oppenheimer would probably have referred to Trump's campaign as undergoing multiple implosion.
 

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Trump is now praising Trump supporters, on the one hand, and questioning whether Senator John McCain is a war hero.

I think physicist Professor Robert Oppenheimer would probably have referred to Trump's campaign as undergoing multiple implosion.

Please provide the quote where he questions whether John McCain was a war hero. Thanks.


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Thanks.


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McCain is reported to have declined to comment on what Trump claimed about him.
 

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He didn't say what you claimed.


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I'm not going to debate this. I watched hours of him on CNN and he DID say these things. Go pick on someone else!!
 

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I'm not going to debate this. I watched hours of him on CNN and he DID say these things. Go pick on someone else!!
Donald will be gone soon enough.

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I'm not going to debate this. I watched hours of him on CNN and he DID say these things. Go pick on someone else!!

Nothing to debate. He didn't say what was claimed. And I'm not picking on anyone. I'm just disagreeing.


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Donald will be gone soon enough.

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What I can't figure is, by saying what he said about McCain, what he thought he was going to achieve; how he thought it would somehow supposedly help him.
 

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Do you believe most of the illegals in this country are criminals or can they be okay? Trump says the illegal immigrant Mexicans are rapists.

Most of the illegals are hard working people who cannot thrive in the corrupt system in their native country. But they still need to enter the USA the legal way, as many of their countrymen have done.

This is especially important since there are a good number of thugs (including many hardened criminals, as we've sadly seen in the news) who also sneak in. Another primary reason the border needs to be completely sealed.

There is nothing lowly or terrible about entering the USA through the FRONT DOOR -- by applying for admission and coming here legally. I trust that most of us will agree with this?

This is what Trump would probably seek to do. Close the borders (as they should be) and keep open the legal immigration process for Mexicans and all others seeking a better life in this country.
 

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Our resources are finite and if we cant control, immigration then as we have seen we will be overwhelmed and our resources will be stretched to the breaking opoint
 

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Most of the illegals are hard working people who cannot thrive in the corrupt system in their native country. But they still need to enter the USA the legal way, as many of their countrymen have done.

This is especially important since there are a good number of thugs (including many hardened criminals, as we've sadly seen in the news) who also sneak in. Another primary reason the border needs to be completely sealed.

There is nothing lowly or terrible about entering the USA through the FRONT DOOR -- by applying for admission and coming here legally. I trust that most of us will agree with this?

This is what Trump would probably seek to do. Close the borders (as they should be) and keep open the legal immigration process for Mexicans and all others seeking a better life in this country.

The trouble with the legal approach is that it's expensive and very time-consuming.

If you enter the US legally in the "immediate relative" category it costs in the region of $1500 and takes several months. I don't know about the costs for other categories but I understand it can take several years before you're allowed entry. Or you can go through a tunnel and disappear.

I can't help thinking a lot of immigration issues would be resolved if there were fewer social programs run by the government. That way we could make it easier for people to come in if they wanted to but make it clear that if they don't support themselves they can't assume anyone else will do it for them.
 

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Moral change in the US and Canada, and a cessation of the lust for illegal drugs which hugely disrupt Latin American countries would improve the situation immensely and take away the lucrative trade of drug dealers in places like Mexico. If one's family is being threatened in Mexico, the instinct of many ppl is to flee. So who are the ultimate "illegals"? the threatened families? the drug dealers? how about the illegal users of drugs in North America?

And how about the Hispanic young people for whom the US is all that they have ever known? condemned to be a document-less underclass, while many of them not having known any other country. Maybe those in the US and Canada who lust for illegal drugs are more culpably "illegal" than they are: than they, who have never known anything but an underclass existence in the US and are not morally responsible for it, their crime being to be alive and breathing.
 
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