Is He friend or King first?

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Are you going to do that?
Sorry, I just don't believe "friend" is an appropriate word to describe a relationship with family.
 

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Sorry, I just don't believe "friend" is an appropriate word to describe a relationship with family.

The Lord called the apostles "friends"

John 15:12-15 [12] This is my precept: that you love one another, just as I have loved you. [13] No one has a greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. [14] You are my friends, if you do what I instruct you. [15] I will no longer call you servants, for the servant does not know what his Lord is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything whatsoever that I have heard from my Father, I have made known to you.
 

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The Lord called the apostles "friends"

John 15:12-15 [12] This is my precept: that you love one another, just as I have loved you. [13] No one has a greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. [14] You are my friends, if you do what I instruct you. [15] I will no longer call you servants, for the servant does not know what his Lord is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything whatsoever that I have heard from my Father, I have made known to you.
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I believe a more appropriate word association would be companion.
The English language can be a bit of problem when conveying scripture.

The best example I can give is from military experience in structure and discipline.
2 by 2.
Is know as the battle buddy system.
Everyone is assigned in pairs.
So that responsiblities of the well being of the unit is secure.
Just as rank and file holds for the safety and well being of a larger unit.
So that a single person is not held accountable or responsible.
 
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I do not think that the English language has any special difficulty expressing what is written in Hebrew and Greek.
 

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Friend, not friend. It's half half. If He wasn't friendly, why would you accept Him as King and if you don't accept Him as King He can't be your real Friend.
 

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Muslims don't want Allah anymore because of the hate and Jesus is friendly. Who wants a terrorizing king?
 

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Nicely put.
Just as a language may embody and carry an expression of ancestral meaning.


Language is important in following history.

For instance.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Aramaic-language

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4828.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7453.htm

For instance friend when used generally can be misconstrued by what may be societal norm. I believe when responding on a christian forum a sense of responsibility is important.

The lessons of Israel and the tent of meeting show and remind me to approach with humility and respect.


1The Lord spoke to Moses: "Go, ascend from here, you and the people you have brought up from the land of Egypt, to the land that I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying: 'I will give it to your descendants.' אוַיְדַבֵּר יְהֹוָה אֶל משֶׁה לֵךְ עֲלֵה מִזֶּה אַתָּה וְהָעָם אֲשֶׁר הֶעֱלִיתָ מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרָיִם אֶל הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר נִשְׁבַּעְתִּי לְאַבְרָהָם לְיִצְחָק וּלְיַעֲקֹב לֵאמֹר לְזַרְעֲךָ אֶתְּנֶנָּה:
2I will send an angel before you, and I will drive out the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites בוְשָׁלַחְתִּי לְפָנֶיךָ מַלְאָךְ וְגֵרַשְׁתִּי אֶת הַכְּנַעֲנִי הָאֱמֹרִי וְהַחִתִּי וְהַפְּרִזִּי הַחִוִּי וְהַיְבוּסִי:
3to a land flowing with milk and honey; because I will not go up in your midst since you are a stiff necked people, lest I destroy you on the way." גאֶל אֶרֶץ זָבַת חָלָב וּדְבָשׁ כִּי לֹא אֶעֱלֶה בְּקִרְבְּךָ כִּי עַם קְשֵׁה עֹרֶף אַתָּה פֶּן אֲכֶלְךָ בַּדָּרֶךְ:
4[When] the people heard this bad news, they mourned, and no one put on his finery. דוַיִּשְׁמַע הָעָם אֶת הַדָּבָר הָרָע הַזֶּה וַיִּתְאַבָּלוּ וְלֹא שָׁתוּ אִישׁ עֶדְיוֹ עָלָיו:
5And the Lord said to Moses: "Say to the children of Israel: 'You are a stiff necked people; if I go up into your midst for one moment, I will destroy you; but now, leave off your finery, and I will know what to do to you.' " הוַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה אֶל משֶׁה אֱמֹר אֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אַתֶּם עַם קְשֵׁה עֹרֶף רֶגַע אֶחָד אֶעֱלֶה בְקִרְבְּךָ וְכִלִּיתִיךָ וְעַתָּה הוֹרֵד עֶדְיְךָ מֵעָלֶיךָ וְאֵדְעָה מָה אֶעֱשֶׂה לָּךְ:
6So the children of Israel divested themselves of their finery from Mount Horeb. ווַיִּתְנַצְּלוּ בְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶת עֶדְיָם מֵהַר חוֹרֵב:
7And Moses took the tent and pitched it for himself outside the camp, distancing [it] from the camp, and he called it the tent of meeting, and it would be that anyone seeking the Lord would go out to the tent of meeting, which was outside the camp. זוּמשֶׁה יִקַּח אֶת הָאֹהֶל וְנָטָה לוֹ | מִחוּץ לַמַּחֲנֶה הַרְחֵק מִן הַמַּחֲנֶה וְקָרָא לוֹ אֹהֶל מוֹעֵד וְהָיָה כָּל מְבַקֵּשׁ יְהֹוָה יֵצֵא אֶל אֹהֶל מוֹעֵד אֲשֶׁר מִחוּץ לַמַּחֲנֶה:
8And it would be that when Moses would go out to the tent, all the people would rise and stand, each one at the entrance of his tent, and they would gaze after Moses until he went into the tent. חוְהָיָה כְּצֵאת משֶׁה אֶל הָאֹהֶל יָקוּמוּ כָּל הָעָם וְנִצְּבוּ אִישׁ פֶּתַח אָהֳלוֹ וְהִבִּיטוּ אַחֲרֵי משֶׁה עַד בֹּאוֹ הָאֹהֱלָה:
9And it would be that when Moses entered the tent, the pillar of cloud would descend and stand at the entrance of the tent, and He would speak with Moses. טוְהָיָה כְּבֹא משֶׁה הָאֹהֱלָה יֵרֵד עַמּוּד הֶעָנָן וְעָמַד פֶּתַח הָאֹהֶל וְדִבֶּר עִם משֶׁה:
10When all the people would see the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance of the tent, all the people would rise and prostrate themselves, each one at the entrance of his tent. יוְרָאָה כָל הָעָם אֶת עַמּוּד הֶעָנָן עֹמֵד פֶּתַח הָאֹהֶל וְקָם כָּל הָעָם וְהִשְׁתַּחֲווּ אִישׁ פֶּתַח אָהֳלוֹ:

11Then the Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man would speak to his companion, and he would return to the camp, but his attendant, Joshua, the son of Nun, a lad, would not depart from the tent. יאוְדִבֶּר יְהֹוָה אֶל משֶׁה פָּנִים אֶל פָּנִים כַּאֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר אִישׁ אֶל רֵעֵהוּ וְשָׁב אֶל הַמַּחֲנֶה וּמְשָׁרְתוֹ יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בִּן נוּן נַעַר לֹא יָמִישׁ מִתּוֹךְ הָאֹהֶל:

12Moses said to the Lord: "Look, You say to me: 'Bring this people up!' But You have not informed me whom You will send with me. And You said: 'I have known you by name and you have also found favor in My eyes.' יבוַיֹּאמֶר משֶׁה אֶל יְהֹוָה רְאֵה אַתָּה אֹמֵר אֵלַי הַעַל אֶת הָעָם הַזֶּה וְאַתָּה לֹא הוֹדַעְתַּנִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר תִּשְׁלַח עִמִּי וְאַתָּה אָמַרְתָּ יְדַעְתִּיךָ בְשֵׁם וְגַם מָצָאתָ חֵן בְּעֵינָי:
13And now, if I have indeed found favor in Your eyes, pray let me know Your ways, so that I may know You, so that I may find favor in Your eyes; and consider that this nation is Your people." יגוְעַתָּה אִם נָא מָצָאתִי חֵן בְּעֵינֶיךָ הוֹדִעֵנִי נָא אֶת דְּרָכֶךָ וְאֵדָעֲךָ לְמַעַן אֶמְצָא חֵן בְּעֵינֶיךָ וּרְאֵה כִּי עַמְּךָ הַגּוֹי הַזֶּה:
14So He said, "My Presence will go, and I will give you rest." ידוַיֹּאמַר פָּנַי יֵלֵכוּ וַהֲנִחֹתִי לָךְ:
15And he said to Him, "If Your Presence does not go [with us], do not take us up from here. טווַיֹּאמֶר אֵלָיו אִם אֵין פָּנֶיךָ הֹלְכִים אַל תַּעֲלֵנוּ מִזֶּה:
16For how then will it be known that I have found favor in Your eyes, I and Your people? Is it not in that You will go with us? Then I and Your people will be distinguished from every [other] nation on the face of the earth." טזוּבַמֶּה | יִוָּדַע אֵפוֹא כִּי מָצָאתִי חֵן בְּעֵינֶיךָ אֲנִי וְעַמֶּךָ הֲלוֹא בְּלֶכְתְּךָ עִמָּנוּ וְנִפְלִינוּ אֲנִי וְעַמְּךָ מִכָּל הָעָם אֲשֶׁר עַל פְּנֵי הָאֲדָמָה:
17And the Lord said to Moses: "Even this thing that you have spoken, I will do, for you have found favor in My eyes, and I have known you by name." יזוַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה אֶל משֶׁה גַּם אֶת הַדָּבָר הַזֶּה אֲשֶׁר דִּבַּרְתָּ אֶעֱשֶׂה כִּי מָצָאתָ חֵן בְּעֵינַי וָאֵדָעֲךָ בְּשֵׁם:

18And he said: "Show me, now, Your glory!" יחוַיֹּאמַר הַרְאֵנִי נָא אֶת כְּבֹדֶךָ:

19He said: "I will let all My goodness pass before you; I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you, and I will favor when I wish to favor, and I will have compassion when I wish to have compassion." יטוַיֹּאמֶר אֲנִי אַעֲבִיר כָּל טוּבִי עַל פָּנֶיךָ וְקָרָאתִי בְשֵׁם יְהֹוָה לְפָנֶיךָ וְחַנֹּתִי אֶת אֲשֶׁר אָחֹן וְרִחַמְתִּי אֶת אֲשֶׁר אֲרַחֵם:
20And He said, "You will not be able to see My face, for man shall not see Me and live." כוַיֹּאמֶר לֹא תוּכַל לִרְאֹת אֶת פָּנָי כִּי לֹא יִרְאַנִי הָאָדָם וָחָי:
21And the Lord said: "Behold, there is a place with Me, and you shall stand on the rock. כאוַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה הִנֵּה מָקוֹם אִתִּי וְנִצַּבְתָּ עַל הַצּוּר:
22And it shall be that when My glory passes by, I will place you into the cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with My hand until I have passed by. כבוְהָיָה בַּעֲבֹר כְּבֹדִי וְשַׂמְתִּיךָ בְּנִקְרַת הַצּוּר וְשַׂכֹּתִי כַפִּי עָלֶיךָ עַד עָבְרִי:
23Then I will remove My hand, and you will see My back but My face shall not be seen."








1He who dwells in the covert of the Most High will lodge in the shadow of the Almighty. איֹשֵׁב בְּסֵתֶר עֶלְיוֹן בְּצֵל שַׁדַּי יִתְלוֹנָן:
2I shall say of the Lord [that He is] my shelter and my fortress, my God in Whom I trust. באֹמַר לַיהֹוָה מַחְסִּי וּמְצוּדָתִי אֱלֹהַי אֶבְטַח בּוֹ:
3For He will save you from the snare that traps from the devastating pestilence. גכִּי הוּא יַצִּילְךָ מִפַּח יָקוּשׁ מִדֶּבֶר הַוּוֹת:
4With His wing He will cover you, and under His wings you will take refuge; His truth is an encompassing shield. דבְּאֶבְרָתוֹ | יָסֶךְ לָךְ וְתַחַת כְּנָפָיו תֶּחְסֶּה צִנָּה וְסֹחֵרָה אֲמִתּוֹ:




If thine eye be single
The rock on which Moses stood, and in the clift of which he was sheltered, was doubtless an emblem of Christ; in whose person, character, and salvation alone, sinners may by faith see the glory of God, and live; for there it appears in softened splendour; as the sun, when his brightness is diminished by a mist, is beheld more distinctly by the human eye.--Scott
 
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[MENTION=201]pinacled[/MENTION], For new testament readings it is Greek that is the source language.
 

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More coffee.
If you continue to disrespect all rules of conduct and ask for my name.
I'll gladly tell you what my mother calls me

Till then. Why not act as ambassador to a congregation that is under siege.
I need your help in resolving a serious matter.
Blessings always ...
 
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More coffee.
If you continue to disrespect all rules of conduct and ask for my name.
I'll gladly tell you what my mother calls me

Till then. Why not act as ambassador to a congregation that is under siege.
I need your help in resolving a serious matter.
Blessings always ...

That is one very perplexing reply. I do not want your name nor have I asked for it. I do not know what congregation is under siege.
 

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More coffee.
If you continue to disrespect all rules of conduct and ask for my name.
I'll gladly tell you what my mother calls me

Till then. Why not act as ambassador to a congregation that is under siege.
I need your help in resolving a serious matter.
Blessings always ...

That is one very perplexing reply. I do not want your name nor have I asked for it. I do not know what congregation is under siege.
I can only speak of what is important.

Occassionally. A person comes about and braves the conversation that most avoid.

When the time comes.

The book of tobit may tell of one name.

But what do I know.
Arguing with a fish oil lovin....
 

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More coffee.
If you continue to disrespect all rules of conduct and ask for my name.
I'll gladly tell you what my mother calls me

Till then. Why not act as ambassador to a congregation that is under siege.
I need your help in resolving a serious matter.
Blessings always ...

I do not see at all where he's asked for your name. Are you mistaken?
 

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I do not see at all where he's asked for your name. Are you mistaken?

I think I know who pinacled is and the cryptic replies are (I think) intended as hints that I will pick up and know who pinacled is so best leave it. I know the name now. I didn't ask, but that is not the point I think :)

PS: I checked, it is not the person I thought it may be. So I am still quite perplexed.
 
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I think I know who pinacled is and the cryptic replies are (I think) intended as hints that I will pick up and know who pinacled is so best leave it. I know the name now. I didn't ask, but that is not the point I think :)

PS: I checked, it is not the person I thought it may be. So I am still quite perplexed.

Please forgive me for being abrasive.
I only meant to help.

There are many houses under attack.

Stand firm till the end Brother.
 

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Yup, the Jewishness that so many reject should be celebrated and remembered
 

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Who rejects Christ's Jewishness? I'm curious about that. I see people make that claim but I never see anyone give proof that anyone is actually doing it.
 
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