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Blessed Mary is never called the mother of any person except for Jesus Christ her son.
Please explain how that proves that Mary was a
PERPETUAL virgin - as a matter of highest importance, certainty and necessity possible.
Your statement assumes that Jesus' brothers and sisters are children born of the Blessed Virgin Mary
....
as you ASSUME they were not.
Friend, you can't accuse others of ASSUMING something not stated in Scripture when your entire argument is nothing but ASSUMING.... and you refuse, persistently refuse, to present ANYTHING - anything at all - that subtantiates that at the microsecond of her death, Mary was a virgin. NOTHING. You claimed Luke stated so but you had to abandon that when you yourself proved Luke stated no such thing.... You claimed the Apostles stated so but you had to abandon that when you yourself proved no Apostle ever said any such thing.... You claimed a false, rejected, noncanonical and noninspired book written long after Mary died stated so but you yourself proved this false book stated so such thing..... All you have is ASSUMING..... that SOME people...... long, long, long after any of them could have receieved this normally supremely private, personal tidbit of marriage bed info from Mary and permission from Mary to make it public... their speculation (at ones who speculate she was a perpetual virgin) you ASSUME is correct - to the highest possible level of certainty. But you haven't even tried to show these speculators (such as Origin) got this information and permission from Mary and that it's TRUE. Why haven't you even tried to show your ASSUMING is true? Because you know you have nothing..... absolutely nothing whatsoever.
contradicts the teaching of holy tradition regarding Blessed Mary in this matter.
You persistently, stubbornly REFUSE to say WHAT "tradition".
The original tradition of
SILENCE that is the tradition of Scripture, of Mary, of Joseph, of Jesus, of all 13-14 Apostles, of all who even theoretically could have met Mary and learned this supremely private, personal matter of marital intimacy and most for centuries after that? The ancient, biblical, Apostles, Holy Family tradition of respectful, honoring
SILENCE?
OR ...
Some speculations and assumptions of a very few men far, far, far too late to have learned it from Mary or gotten permission from Mary to make it public but who offered NOTHING at all to indicate that this speculation is true?
Which of these traditions?
The apostles testify to Blessed Mary as ever virgin
You know this is
wrong.
You could not present even one Apostle ever remotely stating that Mary was a perpetual virgin, always a virgin. You just made that up. You have
NOTHING to show it's true... and you already proved it.
It's troubling to me how truth (as well as respect) just seems - irrelevant - when it comes to Mary and the RC Denomination..... gossip is allowed, assuming is the rubric, truth is tossed out the window... truth just doesn't matter in the RC Denomination when it comes to Mary.... You'd likely be offended if some denomination went on and on and on and on and on and on about the sex life of your mother or sister or wife, you'd say even the mention of such is rude, offensive, and none of anyone's business - but it's a matter of HIGHEST IMPORTANCE POSSIBLE for the RC Denomination (at least for this married woman).
Again, if you had ANYTHING from the Bible .... ANYTHING from ANY Apostle..... ANYTHING from ANYONE who met Mary.... you would have quoted it. You have nothing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Just very, very late personal, inconsistent (and normally very RUDE) speculations and assumptions.... yet your denomination insists this is all a matter of highest importance, certainty and necessity - while having NOTHING WHATSOEVER to indicate this (normally rude) highly personal speculation is true. Or even show that it cares, that the RC Denomination gives a rip as to whether this is true (again, doesn't seem to matter when it comes to Mary - very shocking).
the teaching of Christ and the apostles in the holy scriptures
The teaching of Christ and the apostles in holy scripture is
SILENCE.
Not, "it is a dogmatic fact of highest importance, greatest certainty and highest necessity possible that at the microsecond of her death (or was it undeath - I teach both) Mary was a virgin.... Mary having had no sex ever."
There is a reason why you don't quote Scripture or Jesus or Mary or any Apostle stating Mary was a perpetual virgin. There is NO EVIDENCE any of them REMOTELY said this. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. This is speculation..... personal speculation..... pure speculation of a FEW individuals...... much, much, much too late for them to have learned this from Mary and gotten permission to make it public.... speculators who offering NOTHING AT ALL to remotely indicate such is true (they didn't seem to care).... going on and on about this normally very, very private, personal, intimate detail of the marriage bed that none of them would allow any to say about their mother or wife or sister.... Pure speculation.
See posts 130, 132, 154, 157, 164, 166, 206. All you've evaded.
- Josiah
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