Church... A word of pagan origin -

[visionary]

Wanting Judaism to set Christian doctrine is like wanting Islam to set Christian doctrine.

I believe we will be safe with the Yeshua version of Judaism.

 

[Alithis]

Why bother with modern Judaism? It is avowedly non-Christian and in many cases anti-Christian.

another misdirection .
not Judaism, Hebrew language never took on the pagan title of "SUN"day .
nor did the word ecclesia in greek suddenly change its meaning .from called-out ones ..and assembly unto god . not something that dictates a time or "place" .

 

[visionary]

Wanting Judaism to set Christian doctrine is like wanting Islam to set Christian doctrine.

From a vague memory, you claimed to be a Jew who believes in Yeshua. Yet you do not follow Yeshua in your heritage of Judaism which He lived. How come? Were you not raise in Judaism? Or is it because you hate Judaism itself? The very roots of Christianity should take you back to Judaism, Yeshua style, after all that is what NT is all about.

 

[tango]

An entire example of the point.. Thanks.

Perhaps you could explain. Your own logic twists itself into knots and I'm providing an example of the point? Do enlighten me...

 

[tango]

Hmmmm. Your not contributing a lot yourself there.
You adapt at dissecting others posts latly.
But contributing .. Very little.

You like calling my activities dissecting, it's just easier to reply to posts a piece at a time so it's clear which part I'm replying to. If you regard that as dissecting I guess I can't help you there.

The thread is not calling the. Church pagan.though huge sections of its practices are noyhing more then man made traditions and thus pagan in that they do not originate in God.
But the thread is about the. "Word" church.
As much as some deny it..the word ecclesia doesnt translat to the word we now pronounce church.

The Greek doesn't translate into the word "church" in the context of the building, it translates into the word "church" in the context of the group of people who come together in fellowship, right? So the fact we also use the same English word to refer to something else is a problem how exactly? You might as well complain about the English word "love" that could have come from the Greek agapeo or phileo in a Scriptural context or eros in another context. Totally different concepts but they all turn into "love" when translated into English.

It doesnt bother me accept that a wrong meaning can misdirect a behaviour and thats what it has done for 1700 or so years.

That's good to know.

 

[Alithis]

You like calling my activities dissecting, it's just easier to reply to posts a piece at a time so it's clear which part I'm replying to. If you regard that as dissecting I guess I can't help you there.



The Greek doesn't translate into the word "church" in the context of the building, it translates into the word "church" in the context of the group of people who come together in fellowship, right? So the fact we also use the same English word to refer to something else is a problem how exactly? You might as well complain about the English word "love" that could have come from the Greek agapeo or phileo in a Scriptural context or eros in another context. Totally different concepts but they all turn into "love" when translated into English.



That's good to know.

yikes go back and read the article lol

 

[MoreCoffee]

From a vague memory, you claimed to be a Jew who believes in Yeshua. Yet you do not follow Yeshua in your heritage of Judaism which He lived. How come? Were you not raise in Judaism? Or is it because you hate Judaism itself? The very roots of Christianity should take you back to Judaism, Yeshua style, after all that is what NT is all about.

I am not a Jew, I have no idea where this "yeshua" stuff comes from. I am a Christian and I believe in Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of the Father who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. I believe in the Holy Trinity. Judaism rejects these things.

 

[psalms 91]

Christ did not reject Jusaism and neither did your church. Your service is full of Jewish things, you just apparently dont know it. Chrisat rejected what they had done to Gods word and the traditions, not Judaism as a whole.

 

[Alithis]

Yup..like when they taught their traditions as authoritive above scripture.
Like rome does.

 

[visionary]

You like calling my activities dissecting, it's just easier to reply to posts a piece at a time so it's clear which part I'm replying to. If you regard that as dissecting I guess I can't help you there.



The Greek doesn't translate into the word "church" in the context of the building, it translates into the word "church" in the context of the group of people who come together in fellowship, right? So the fact we also use the same English word to refer to something else is a problem how exactly? You might as well complain about the English word "love" that could have come from the Greek agapeo or phileo in a Scriptural context or eros in another context. Totally different concepts but they all turn into "love" when translated into English.



That's good to know.

So assembly or congregation could be a choice instead of church?

 

[tango]

OK folks, we've had one staff notice in here before to say not to question whether other people are believers. By all means disagree but questioning whether someone else is a Christian isn't on even if it is veiled.

 

[Alithis]

OK folks, we've had one staff notice in here before to say not to question whether other people are believers. By all means disagree but questioning whether someone else is a Christian isn't on even if it is veiled.

who did that /
we dont have to question what some believe they tell us lol

and often its stuff that is not scriptural
like making little statues of a lady and venerating them
and making leaders and giving them titles beyond the earthly station.
and saying it ok to keep sinning after you know its sin to do it .
etc

seems just a manipulation of the rules every other time some one doesn't like where the thread is going .

why so many are upset over such a simply thing ..
the word ecclesia means "called out ones and assembly unto god" -it does not denote a time or place or format whereby it can be controlled by man.

the word church existed before Christianity and referred to a time and place a gathering around a centralized object and was used in pagan practiced to describe such gatherings .

the word was implemented over into Christianity but never was and never will be a correct translation of the word ecclesia .
the only reason some get upset i guess ,is that it yet again displays there is a controlling agenda in the man made organisations some refer to as "church "

 

[amadeois]

Tango is member of the staff, he did it. That's why he is not telling who did it.

The fruits are showing. Just by the way you write. That's part of your fruits.

The mighty wind did it again.


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[tango]

Tango is member of the staff, he did it. That's why he is not telling who did it.

I wrote the note reminding people of the rules. Who posted the offending post isn't important, it's the principle that matters.

 

[Romanos]

​Back on topic please.

 

[amadeois]

Peace be with you brothers:

Let's restart this thread by imitating Jesus and initiate the discussions by showing the love of Jesus.

This time the gloves will stay in the closet and no more winds will be generated, let's be more civilized and no more smart remarks.

All in agreement?

And the people said Amen.

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[Josiah]

Alithis -

1. Please document that the ENGLISH word "church" was first use by non-Christian(s).

2. Please document that because you've proven the ENGLISH word "church" was first used by non-Christians, THEREFORE the word is "pagan."

3. Please tell us which words not proven to first be used by Christians are permissible for us to use and which are not, and WHY?




- Josiah

 

[Alithis]

Alithis -

1. Please document that the ENGLISH word "church" was first use by non-Christian(s).

2. Please document that because you've proven the ENGLISH word "church" was first used by non-Christians, THEREFORE the word is "pagan."

3. Please tell us which words not proven to first be used by Christians are permissible for us to use and which are not, and WHY?




- Josiah

go read the article .. the thread is not about me nor my opinion .
if you wish contact the author ,, he is a fully qualified historian of Christianity -im sure he can answer your questions

 

[MoreCoffee]

go read the article .. the thread is not about me nor my opinion .
if you wish contact the author ,, he is a fully qualified historian of Christianity -im sure he can answer your questions

He's infallible?

 

[amadeois]

MoreCoffee:

Please, stop the nasty remarks.



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