The papacy is the power prophesied by Daniel who was to 'think to change times and la

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Yes, Antiochus IV also known as Epiphanes fits far better since he both did attempt to change the Mosaic Law, abolished the daily offering in the temple, and sought to change the calendar and days to fit his Greek/Persian predilections.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes (/ænˈtaɪ.əkəs ɛˈpɪfəniːz/; Ancient Greek: Ἀντίοχος Δ΄ ὁ Ἐπιφανής, Antíochos D' ho Epiphanḗs, "God Manifest";[1] c. 215 BC – 164 BC) was a Hellenistic Greek king of the Seleucid Empire from 175 BC until his death in 164 BC. He was a son of King Antiochus III the Great. His original name was Mithradates (alternative form Mithridates); he assumed the name Antiochus after he ascended the throne.

Notable events during the reign of Antiochus IV include his near-conquest of Egypt, his persecution of the Jews of Judea and Samaria, and the rebellion of the Jewish Maccabees.

Antiochus was the first Seleucid king to use divine epithets on coins, perhaps inspired by the Bactrian Hellenistic kings who had earlier done so, or else building on the ruler cult that his father Antiochus the Great had codified within the Seleucid Empire. These epithets included Θεὸς Ἐπιφανής 'manifest god', and, after his defeat of Egypt, Νικηφόρος 'bringer of victory'. However, Antiochus also tried to interact with common people by appearing in the public bath houses and applying for municipal offices, and his often eccentric behaviour and capricious actions led some of his contemporaries to call him Epimanes ("The Mad One"), a word play on his title Epiphanes.​
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His dealings with the Jews were harsh and precipitated rebellion ...

The Seleucids, like the Ptolemies before them, held a mild suzerainty over Judea: they respected Jewish culture and protected Jewish institutions. This policy was drastically reversed by Antiochus IV, resulting in harsh persecutions and a revolt against his rule, the Maccabean revolt.

According to the authors of the Books of Maccabees, while Antiochus was busy in Egypt, a rumour spread that he had been killed. In Judea, the deposed High Priest Jason gathered a force of 1,000 soldiers and made a surprise attack on the city of Jerusalem. Menelaus, the High Priest appointed by Antiochus, was forced to flee Jerusalem during a riot. King Antiochus returned from Egypt in 167 BC, enraged by his defeat; he attacked Jerusalem and restored Menelaus, then executed many Jews.

When these happenings were reported to the king, he thought that Judea was in revolt. Raging like a wild animal, he set out from Egypt and took Jerusalem by storm. He ordered his soldiers to cut down without mercy those whom they met and to slay those who took refuge in their houses. There was a massacre of young and old, a killing of women and children, a slaughter of virgins and infants. In the space of three days, eighty thousand were lost, forty thousand meeting a violent death, and the same number being sold into slavery.
— 2 Maccabees 5:11–14​

Antiochus decided to side with the Hellenised Jews in order to consolidate his empire and to strengthen his hold over the region. He outlawed Jewish religious rites and traditions kept by observant Jews and ordered the worship of Zeus as the supreme god (2 Maccabees 6:1–12). This was anathema to the Jews and they refused, so Antiochus sent an army to enforce his decree. The city of Jerusalem was destroyed (168 BC) because of the resistance, many were slaughtered, and Antiochus established a military Greek citadel called the Acra.

Traditionally, as expressed in the First and Second Books of the Maccabees, the Maccabean Revolt was painted as a national resistance to a foreign political and cultural oppression. In modern times, however, scholars have argued that the king was instead intervening in a civil war between the traditionalist Jews in the country and the Hellenised Jews in Jerusalem. According to Joseph P. Schultz:

"Modern scholarship on the other hand considers the Maccabean revolt less as an uprising against foreign oppression than as a civil war between the orthodox and reformist parties in the Jewish camp."​

It seems that the traditionalists, with Hebrew/Aramaic names such as Onias, contested with the Hellenisers, with Greek names such as Jason and Menelaus, over who would be the High Priest. Other authors have pointed to the possibility of socioeconomic motives, as well as religious ones, as having been primary drivers of the civil war.

What began in many respects as a civil war escalated when the Hellenistic kingdom of Syria sided with the Hellenising Jews in their conflict with the traditionalists. As the conflict escalated, Antiochus took the side of the Hellenisers by prohibiting the religious practices around which the traditionalists had rallied. This could explain why the king banned the traditional religion of a whole people, in a total departure from typical Seleucid practice in other settings.​
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Does that mean that there is the influence and presence of what Antiochus did still with us today?
 

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The change in calendars did not in any way affect the number of days in the week though it made adjustments for the number of days in the year. The seventh day has been known to be God's rest day by many nations around the world and this may be seen in the names which they have given to the seventh day. Here are some examples: Spanish: Sabado, Arabic: Sabet, Greek: Savvato, Itaalian: Sabato, Russian: Subbota, et cetera. The catholic church which has presumed to make a change in God's law does not dispute that the seventh day is the Sabbath ordained by God, see:
"Roman Catholics acknowledge that the change of the Sabbath was made by their church, and declare that Protestants by observing the Sunday are recognizing her power. In the Catholic Catechism of Christian Religion, in answer to a question as to the day to be observed in obedience to the fourth commandment, this statement is made: "During the old law, Saturday was the day sanctified; but the church, instructed by Jesus Christ, and directed by the Spirit of God, has substituted Sunday for Saturday; so now we sanctify the first, not the seventh day. Sunday means, and now is, the day of the Lord.", Great Controversy 1911.
As for when the day begins, the bible instructs us. In the first chapter of the book of Genesis, the day is numbered by evening and morning eg Gen 1:5 '...And the evening and the morning were the first day.' So the numbering of the Sabbath, like that of any other day, begins when the sun sets on the sixth day and ends when the sun sets on the seventh day.
 

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OK Didnt know thta before but now I do. Adds even more fuel about the church since we know God didnt change it. Also know that protestants absolutely do not recognize the authority of that church and never will
 

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Does that mean that there is the influence and presence of what Antiochus did still with us today?

Disrespect of God, for the liturgy that God gave, and for the bishops appointed by God is a residual of the kind of disrespect and hatred evidenced by Antiochus IV.
 

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OK Didnt know thta before but now I do. Adds even more fuel about the church since we know God didnt change it. Also know that protestants absolutely do not recognize the authority of that church and never will

Yup
 

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Disrespect of God, for the liturgy that God gave, and for the bishops appointed by God is a residual of the kind of disrespect and hatred evidenced by Antiochus IV.
Antichus changes are picked up and encouraged upon those who claim to believe the Word of God but yet follow the church in many traditions that are replicas of Antichus's work.
 

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Antiochus [IV's] changes are picked up and encouraged upon those who claim to believe the Word of God but yet follow the church in many traditions that are replicas of Antiochus [IV's] work.

what specifically?
 

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what specifically?

Antiochus IV also known as Epiphanes fits far better since he both did attempt to change the Mosaic Law, abolished the daily offering in the temple, and sought to change the calendar and days to fit his Greek/Persian predilections.
 

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Jews have never gave up the Sabbath. It is key stone of the faith of Judaism. Denying Jesus may be true for most, but gaining ground is Yeshua as their Messiah as more and more come to the faith in the last days. They are Messianics. They love Yeshua their Messiah. We should too. He is the authentic King of the Jews.
Not true. Remember the 70 years.
What did the Lord said? What have you done with my sabbath (Paraphrasing)

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Can anyone present another "think to change times and laws" that would fit the bill better?
The papacy is doubtful. The beast may be the Roman Empire. Is a "fourth kingdom."

World Kingdoms
1st. The Babylonians
2nd. The Medo/Persians
3rd. The Greeks
4th. The Romans

Then you look at ten horns (a person) and then another that gets rid of 3.

That horn is the one that thinks, or tries, or attempts to change the law (4th commandment) and the times, sabbath worship to Sunday worship.


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More and more Jews are coming to believe just as more and more Atheists are and more and more Buddhists are. Those who don't believe damn themselves, don't they?

Now what was once Saturday in the cycle could probably be Monday in the cycle and not the true Sabbath that it was 2,000 years ago as calendars/time zones (see MoreCoffee's post) and clocks change. That's the point that Stravinsk tried to make in another thread.

The RCC didn't mess it all up.
For one reason or another different groups have kept track, and thus there has been no weekly order change. Sunday follows Sabbath.
 

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Disrespect of God, for the liturgy that God gave, and for the bishops appointed by God is a residual of the kind of disrespect and hatred evidenced by Antiochus IV.
Yep and it shows up in RCC dogma, doctrines, policies, and propoganda. Just because it is institutionalized doesn't make it right. Scripture reveals that some high powerful religious group which Antiochus was not, would think to change God's laws and times.
 

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Yep and it shows up in RCC dogma, doctrines, policies, and propoganda. Just because it is institutionalized doesn't make it right. Scripture reveals that some high powerful religious group which Antiochus was not, would think to change God's laws and times.

Why do you hate Catholicism?
 

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Yep and it shows up in RCC dogma, doctrines, policies, and propoganda. Just because it is institutionalized doesn't make it right. Scripture reveals that some high powerful religious group which Antiochus was not, would think to change God's laws and times.
Yup, truth
 

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Why do you hate Catholicism?
Because it continues to do all that is against that which is of God. It is the great substitute of that which is true. But many wonderful people are found within the catholic faith.
 

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Has anybody read and understand what everything means starting at Revelation 16:12 when the 6th Vial is poured onto the rivet Eufrates?

Who is the Great Harlot?
The woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet?
Mystery the Babylon?
The seven kings?
The woman is that great city?
And so on...and then Revelation 1815 through 19, "for in hour is she made desolate."

And then Heaven rejoices because Babylon was destroyed.
(Revelation 18:20-24)

All these things are in the "scriptures."

But there is a warning:

Revelation 18:4

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,

Come out of her, my peoplr, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye revive not of her plagues."

THE WORD OF GOD.


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There is something about colors.

Revelation 18:16
"And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls."

Also
Exodus 6
"And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.
Exodus 15
"And thought shalt make the breastplate of judgement with cunning work; after the work of the ephod though shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt though make it."

Somebody might say that I'm trying to put down the Vatican and Judaism.

Not necessarily.

We need to take a look at the "little details."

Judaism was first, Christianity later, the Vatican much later.

The Differences:
Judaism:
1. The linen is twitted
2. The color blue is added

The Vatican does not show twitted linen or the color blue.

It seems that the Vatican got the idea from the High Priest's garments.

The organization wearing scarlet and purple gets destroyed, not Judaism.

Those little details make a big difference. Right?

There was no more High Priest after the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus.

The papacy of the OP did not think to change the times and the law, it was the horn that came in between the ten, a person.

Who he was?



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