God Does NOT Heal All - CHRISTIAN Discussion

[George]

So let me get this straight, if I heal, I'm doing the Gospel?

 

[Rens]

So let me get this straight, if I heal, I'm doing the Gospel?

Yes, you're doing the gospel of Matthew 10:8

 

[George]

Yes, you're doing the gospel of Matthew 10:8

Is there more than one gospel, or is that just a command that goes along with the Gospel?

 

[Lamb]

Yes, you're doing the gospel of Matthew 10:8

That verse is not saying YOU are doing the Gospel. That verse is telling the twelve disciples what to do as they go out in their ministry.

 

[Rens]

That verse is not saying YOU are doing the Gospel. That verse is telling the twelve disciples what to do as they go out in their ministry.

Oh yeah well, then take that text of those signs shall follow them that believe, that's about all who believe.

 

[Rens]

Is there more than one gospel, or is that just a command that goes along with the Gospel?

They're called gospels. It was a joke.

 

[Rens]

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
In our church the next thing I hear after this text is always:
What gospel? The same gospel Jesus and the disciples preached, accompanied by signs and wonders.

 

[Lamb]

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
In our church the next thing I hear after this text is always:
What gospel? The same gospel Jesus and the disciples preached, accompanied by signs and wonders.

The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ. John the Baptist proclaimed the coming of the Savior...without doing signs.

John 10:41-42
"and many people came to him. They said, “Though John never performed a sign, all that John said about this man was true.” And in that place many believed in Jesus."

If people yearn for a sign instead of seeing the Savior then there is a problem.

 

[Alithis]

Every time? I see people dying from being sick, don't you? From newborns to the elderly. People pray for them and God has said No. He takes them to be with Him instead.

What would you have us say then ?that Gods word is not true? Are we to live by what we see or by Gods word . The just shall live by faith...not sight.

 

[Alithis]

Is there more than one gospel, or is that just a command that goes along with the Gospel?

There is one..and we are commanded to preach it. That is do somthing one has to do..thus the phrase "you go and do the gospel. "
Dont be only a hearer of the word but a doer for when we hear but do not do...we decieve ourselves.
Jesus said Go..heal the sick preach the gospel...etc.
those who hear and go and do..are obedient. Those who hear but dont go and do and think thats ok..are decieved.

 

[tango]

I dont come across a lot of people who go around healing the sick ,that then speak in the negative about God healing..

You're mixing up arguments here.

I've prayed for people and seen them healed. I've seen someone go from so critically ill in ICU that their family was called, to walking out of the ward under their own steam and unaided within a couple of days, following prayer. I still don't believe God heals everybody. Why? Because sometimes I pray for people to be healed and they are, and sometimes I pray for people to be healed and they are not.

ask a those here who are implying God doessnt heal all christians.."do you lay hands on and heal the sick? Not once back in 1989..but as a regular day to day living out of the gospel.

Yet another logical fallacy. If God doesn't heal one single person that is all it takes to prove that "God heals all" is false. It only takes one. Have you ever, in your entire life, prayed for someone to be healed and see them not healed? If so, your own experience bears testimony to the fact that God does not heal everybody. You can't even pull the faith card because if you have the faith to see one healed why do you suddenly not have the faith to see another healed?

So its not unreasonable to say those that dont do it are those who also speak from an unbelieving stance about it.
Stop trying to attack me with accusations.

It's totally unreasonable to make that statement, it's based on nothing more than an assumption. You don't see people doing it, therefore it doesn't happen. You're also still falling into the trap of thinking the options are "God always heals" or "God doesn't heal". "God sometimes heals" fills the gap quite nicely.

i say Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever..its what he said.
i say if you believe. all things ate possible...its what Jesus said.
i say ..by his stripes you were healed..
i agree with God.
His word is not a false premise.

You say all sorts of things that aren't relevant to the discussion, and still fall back on your assumption that Is 53:5 means what you want it to mean, still ignoring Scripture that appears to conflict with it. Endlessly repeating the mantra doesn't make it true.

You could pull Luke 19:30-31 out and use it to claim that it's OK to steal horses. After all, Jesus told his disciples to go and take a colt that didn't belong to them with no justification beyond "our master needs it". But however many times you repeated it, you're still not OK if you go round taking horses. It's a classic example of a passage that's descriptive rather than a clear pattern that we're expected to follow.

 

[tango]

What would you have us say then ?that Gods word is not true? Are we to live by what we see or by Gods word . The just shall live by faith...not sight.

God's word is true, it's just your interpretation of it that is suspect. You can keep repeating your very narrow interpretation of Is 53:5 but telling people with a different view that they are rejecting God's word is just another fallacy.

 

[tango]

Oh yeah well, then take that text of those signs shall follow them that believe, that's about all who believe.

The bit at the end of Mark? Isn't that the one that some scholars aren't sure was even in the original texts?

 

[Alithis]

God's word is true, it's just your interpretation of it that is suspect. You can keep repeating your very narrow interpretation of Is 53:5 but telling people with a different view that they are rejecting God's word is just another fallacy.

i refer back to .. 'Gods word is true '

and the question was asked in relation to and context with ,the statement made ... which you exclude from your reply because it was not asked of you nor in response to anything you had said .

 

[Rens]

The bit at the end of Mark? Isn't that the one that some scholars aren't sure was even in the original texts?

Yes that one. Sigh then take James 5. But that's for elders. Then go to the elders. Gifts of healing are not only for the 12 disciples or elders.

 

[Rens]

Dan Mohler had a great preaching about it. The disciples couldn't help the dad who came with his son. Then Jesus blamed the disciples. Oh faithless generation. He didn't blame the man or his son. The son didn't get healed at first because of the disciples, not because God's answer was no.

 

[Rens]

I love this man. Hilarious.

http://documentedhealings.com/smith-wigglesworth-on-the-death-of-his-wife/

 

[Lamb]

What would you have us say then ?that Gods word is not true? Are we to live by what we see or by Gods word . The just shall live by faith...not sight.

I did not say God's Word is not true.

 

[Lamb]

There is one..and we are commanded to preach it. That is do somthing one has to do..thus the phrase "you go and do the gospel. "
Dont be only a hearer of the word but a doer for when we hear but do not do...we decieve ourselves.
Jesus said Go..heal the sick preach the gospel...etc.
those who hear and go and do..are obedient. Those who hear but dont go and do and think thats ok..are decieved.

Jesus told the Disciples to go and PREACH the Gospel, teaching and baptizing. He did not tell them go and do the Gospel. Huge difference.

 

[Cassia]

Jesus told the Disciples to go and PREACH the Gospel, teaching and baptizing. He did not tell them go and do the Gospel. Huge difference.

I think that w/o doing the gospel that preaching is ineffectual