God Does NOT Heal All - CHRISTIAN Discussion

[Josiah]

what your doing is saying - i get sick , so it must be gods will that i got sick ,god made me sick

NO ONE in this thread has REMOTELY stated or implied that.

Try reading the opening post. All of it. Put your curser over the Scriptures and READ them - all of them - TOGETHER - the WHOLE witness.


Now, if you can document that Christians cease to sin and THUS cease to be sick or to physically die - go ahead. And if you can document that you have ceased sin, have become divinely perfect and thus need no healing because you are exempt from illness, decay and physical death - go ahead. But, IMO, you are not AT ALL engaging in the discussion of the opening post.

oh but no you say, i didn't say god does it .. i said he allows it .
oh uhh riiight .. umm whats the diff ??

THINK.

you have to see they make no sense . why would he who was flogged for your healing .. make you sick ? sickness and suffering comes from sin and satan .. he is the one who comes to steal murder and destroy . -it all comes from sin and satan . jesus came to destroy satan's works .. he sent us with the power and authority to do just that .

Okay, so in your book, GOD wills and CAUSES sin, decay and physical death. Okay, I disagree with you but at least you are consistent. IMO, God PERMITS such but doesn't DESIRE such. In your book, God DESIRED/CAUSED the Holocaust, God DESIRED/CAUSED the Fall of Adam and Eve, God CAUSED/DESIRED the Fall of Satan. I disagree. Perhaps we need to leave it there.



- Josiah

 

[tango]

what your doing is saying - i get sick , so it must be gods will that i got sick ,god made me sick .. god who has blessed me with every spiritual blessing in Christ Jesus ,now cursed me with sickness ...???? why do people charge god with evil ? .. do unto others as you would have done unto yourself he says by HIS WORD ... then goes about making people sick to teach them a lesson ... ??

Lots of curious leaps into the dark in that progression.

How do parents typically help their children grow up? Do they lift every little burden from their children, allowing them to think the world is entirely sunshine and roses? Most parents I've seen allow their children to experience some sort of struggle - the task they try to accomplish but can't quite get there, the falls from the tree they are trying to climb, and so on. At the same time the parents will protect, as far as they can, the children from anything that would result in catastrophic injury were they to fall. So you might let a child climb a tree with lots of branches but wouldn't let them attempt to climb across the bridge 50 feet over the fast-flowing river.

Why is it any different with God? God allowed, and continues to allow, his people to be persecuted, tortured, martyred, for their faith. For reasons we may never understand this side of heaven, God allowed this to happen. And yet some still persist in the belief that God promises a life free of suffering. I can only imagine what a Christian undergoing ongoing torture in a regime like, say, North Korea would have to say to someone who believes it's not God's will for them to endure a cold or a bad back or whatever else. But hey, maybe the Christians in prison in oppressive regimes just forgot to claim their freedom?

oh but no you say, i didn't say god does it .. i said he allows it .
oh uhh riiight .. umm whats the diff ??

The difference is actually huge. A parent might allow their child to climb a tree knowing the child may fall and hurt themselves. It's part of growing up. It's a totally different situation to the parent climbing the tree first and pushing the child to the ground when they get high enough.

a bunch of big kids come in a yard and start beating on the toddler with sticks .. and mum says ,'I'm not doing it but i will allow it ,that'll teach him a lesson ??? say what .. it will teach him you dont love him very much at all .

Maybe you're teaching the child to be stronger. If every time the child has a dispute Daddy steps in and sorts it out, how will the child ever learn to fend for himself?

then again .. your saying God sent his only beloved son.. and HE allowed himself to be flogged and have the skin of his flesh ripped from his back and by it we were healed ,, so that he could make you sick again whenever he feels like it ??.. that father sounds more like a devil ... think it through ,consider what your saying and implying .

More strawman arguments here. Firstly you're stuck with the assumption that Is 53:5 has one very specific and narrow meaning, then you're assuming that this is all about God striking people with sickness out of little more than sadism. Maybe God is teaching us to rely on him rather than our own strength. Maybe God is looking to use us to accomplish something that would be harder to do if we didn't have whatever condition we were fighting. A women I knew (now sadly deceased) faced emergency surgery for a sudden critical condition - from what I recall of what her son (a good friend of mine) said her chances of surviving the surgery were slim and her chances of surviving without the surgery were zero. It was a testimony to the strength of her faith when she said to the operating team before they anaesthetised her that she wasn't afraid of dying, and when she came round (after the surgery she wasn't expected to survive) she had staff in the recovery room singing hymns with her. How would she have managed that, had someone merely declared healing over her and everything went away in an instant? How would she demonstrate that her faith truly meant more to her than anything this world has to offer, when she was willing to praise God even through her ongoing suffering, even when faced with death?

and dont think i'm being all high horse .. i, not that long ago thought exactly the same way your thinking .. i used to say exactly the same things . but when you really stop and take stock ..you have to see they make no sense . why would he who was flogged for your healing .. make you sick ? sickness and suffering comes from sin and satan .. he is the one who comes to steal murder and destroy . -it all comes from sin and satan . jesus came to destroy satan's works .. he sent us with the power and authority to do just that .

As soon as you take away the assumption of "flogged for your healing" the rest of this collapses.

 

[Alithis]

Truthfully Altheis I have had many Christians tell me this, which is why I ask and yes I know the answer but so many claim this

i know , its sad isnt it .

 

[Alithis]

I refute a lot of what you've claimed in regards to what you think I've said. Sometimes I don't feel that you are reading posts. It's evident in your responses.

there is a difference between refuting and denial lol . in the dictionary meaning of the word refute you refuted absolutely nothing .

 

[Alithis]

NO ONE in this thread has REMOTELY stated or implied that.

Try reading the opening post. All of it. Put your curser over the Scriptures and READ them - all of them - TOGETHER - the WHOLE witness.


Now, if you can document that Christians cease to sin and THUS cease to be sick or to physically die - go ahead. And if you can document that you have ceased sin, have become divinely perfect and thus need no healing because you are exempt from illness, decay and physical death - go ahead. But, IMO, you are not AT ALL engaging in the discussion of the opening post.







THINK.





Okay, so in your book, GOD wills and CAUSES sin, decay and physical death. Okay, I disagree with you but at least you are consistent. IMO, God PERMITS such but doesn't DESIRE such. In your book, God DESIRED/CAUSED the Holocaust, God DESIRED/CAUSED the Fall of Adam and Eve, God CAUSED/DESIRED the Fall of Satan. I disagree. Perhaps we need to leave it there.



- Josiah

back to your tricks of dissecting posts then MISRepresenting in bits out of their context . as for your summary at the end LOL .. i never said anything even remotely like it .. i said the OPPOSITE

do try to stay on topic .
i know you dont like me
i know you dont like what i say
but dont start making up fabrications

you said at me - "Okay, so in your book, GOD wills and CAUSES sin, decay and physical death. " - but i said NO SUCH THING - i spoke in opposition to that very point . i said sin and satan cause sickness .
not sure what post your reading but your talking rubbish

 

[Alithis]

Lots of curious leaps into the dark in that progression.

How do parents typically help their children grow up? Do they lift every little burden from their children, allowing them to think the world is entirely sunshine and roses? Most parents I've seen allow their children to experience some sort of struggle - the task they try to accomplish but can't quite get there, the falls from the tree they are trying to climb, and so on. At the same time the parents will protect, as far as they can, the children from anything that would result in catastrophic injury were they to fall. So you might let a child climb a tree with lots of branches but wouldn't let them attempt to climb across the bridge 50 feet over the fast-flowing river.

Why is it any different with God? God allowed, and continues to allow, his people to be persecuted, tortured, martyred, for their faith. For reasons we may never understand this side of heaven, God allowed this to happen. And yet some still persist in the belief that God promises a life free of suffering. I can only imagine what a Christian undergoing ongoing torture in a regime like, say, North Korea would have to say to someone who believes it's not God's will for them to endure a cold or a bad back or whatever else. But hey, maybe the Christians in prison in oppressive regimes just forgot to claim their freedom?



The difference is actually huge. A parent might allow their child to climb a tree knowing the child may fall and hurt themselves. It's part of growing up. It's a totally different situation to the parent climbing the tree first and pushing the child to the ground when they get high enough.



Maybe you're teaching the child to be stronger. If every time the child has a dispute Daddy steps in and sorts it out, how will the child ever learn to fend for himself?



More strawman arguments here. Firstly you're stuck with the assumption that Is 53:5 has one very specific and narrow meaning, then you're assuming that this is all about God striking people with sickness out of little more than sadism. Maybe God is teaching us to rely on him rather than our own strength. Maybe God is looking to use us to accomplish something that would be harder to do if we didn't have whatever condition we were fighting. A women I knew (now sadly deceased) faced emergency surgery for a sudden critical condition - from what I recall of what her son (a good friend of mine) said her chances of surviving the surgery were slim and her chances of surviving without the surgery were zero. It was a testimony to the strength of her faith when she said to the operating team before they anaesthetised her that she wasn't afraid of dying, and when she came round (after the surgery she wasn't expected to survive) she had staff in the recovery room singing hymns with her. How would she have managed that, had someone merely declared healing over her and everything went away in an instant? How would she demonstrate that her faith truly meant more to her than anything this world has to offer, when she was willing to praise God even through her ongoing suffering, even when faced with death?



As soon as you take away the assumption of "flogged for your healing" the rest of this collapses.

you also ? you've incorrectly dissected the post that wasn't at you , and utterly missed what was being said in it .
why ask me questions i cant know the answer to .

but ask me -does god heal today ? and i will answer - Do rainbows still appear when it rains ? his promises are faithful and true .
his word says it is his will to heal and save

i beleive his word .
i do not base my faith in him upon what i see or experience
but upon what he has said .

by feelings and my experiences can change and wil change
but his word will not .
his word will not conform to my experience ,not ever \
but my experience will be conformed to his word

to the point that every knee in heaven and on earth will bow and every tongue confess that JEsus is lord ..
does he heal all ... he doesnt have to .. he told US to heal the sick .
so why dont we .. ? well first off - threads like this go around reinforcing UNbelief .. and unbelief is the very reason the bible warns us that some do not enter into his promises and instead .. perish .

why do all who come to god's children for healing , not get healed .. because god's children , his representatives on earth .. DO NOT BELIEVE .

JEsus said - all things are possible if you beleive ... so i ask you .. "was he lieing" ?.

if you say yes ,-you're not a christian
if you say" no he speaks the truth -".. then case closed .

what on earth are we arguing about lol

 

[tango]

you also ? you've incorrectly dissected the post that wasn't at you , and utterly missed what was being said in it .
why ask me questions i cant know the answer to .

Perhaps you could elaborate here. You seem good at making this standard assertion (about dissecting your posts) but if I've done it incorrectly perhaps you could point out where and how.

but ask me -does god heal today ? and i will answer - Do rainbows still appear when it rains ? his promises are faithful and true .
his word says it is his will to heal and save

... and with this you make it fairly apparent you don't read my posts. I think I've made it very clear several times that I believe God does heal. I don't believe God heals all the time. And frankly the evidence supports my case a lot more than it supports yours.

i beleive his word .
i do not base my faith in him upon what i see or experience
but upon what he has said .

You need to look at the whole picture though. For all your claims that other people are assuming you yourself are mighty quick to make assumptions about cases like Paul's thorn or Timothy's frequent infirmities. Of course if they don't fit the theology you need to explain them away somehow.

by feelings and my experiences can change and wil change
but his word will not .
his word will not conform to my experience ,not ever \
but my experience will be conformed to his word

Except if the facts we can see in front of us contradict what Scripture appears to say we have to consider the possibility that we've misunderstood what Scripture says. Otherwise all you have is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la la la" and hoping the nasty reality goes away.

to the point that every knee in heaven and on earth will bow and every tongue confess that JEsus is lord ..

How is this relevant to whether God heals everybody?

does he heal all ... he doesnt have to .. he told US to heal the sick .
so why dont we .. ? well first off - threads like this go around reinforcing UNbelief .. and unbelief is the very reason the bible warns us that some do not enter into his promises and instead .. perish .

Threads like this, that look to understand? It would be nice if you could come up with some coherent explanations as to what was going on with Paul and Timothy. Instead it seems like you merely refuse to accept their plights, figure they don't fit in with the teaching you want to believe in even if that means total blind faith despite evidence, and then rustle up a few assumptions in an attempt to explain away what was going on.

why do all who come to god's children for healing , not get healed .. because god's children , his representatives on earth .. DO NOT BELIEVE .

Perhaps they have good reason to believe it isn't always God's will to heal. It obviously wasn't God's will to remove Paul's thorn (whatever the thorn actually was) and clearly wasn't God's will to heal Timothy of his "frequent infirmities" or Paul wouldn't have been telling him to take a little wine. It wasn't God's will to save Stephen from being martyred, nor God's will to rescue John from exile, and so on. So why do we think it has suddenly become God's will to heal us of every little thing that happens? We've got a place in heaven, isn't that an offer good enough to see past suffering in this life?

JEsus said - all things are possible if you beleive ... so i ask you .. "was he lieing" ?.

if you say yes ,-you're not a christian
if you say" no he speaks the truth -".. then case closed .

Nice try. If only it were that simple. I promised a friend I'd help him shift some furniture when he moved house. Was I lying? If you asked my friend you'd see that I delivered on my promise and helped him shift the furniture. That doesn't mean that anyone can show up at my door and say "hey, about that promise to help shift furniture" and expect me to be a free removals man for them. It doesn't even mean that my friend can turn up at my door years after I kept my promise and assume that I'm available at any time whenever he feels like claiming my furniture shifting abilities. I made a promise, I kept the promise, case closed. The fact I didn't help a total stranger who figured they were going to stand on my promise doesn't mean I broke my promise, just that I didn't make it to them.

what on earth are we arguing about lol

We're arguing about whether or not God always heals. I thought that much would be obvious by now. But hey, let's look at that thing you mentioned earlier. All things are possible if you believe, so why didn't John merely claim his freedom from exile? Why didn't Paul claim freedom from the thorn that plagued him? Why didn't Timothy claim his healing from his frequent infirmities? Why didn't Stephen claim freedom from the stones that ended his life? Did they just not get the memo? Did they lack faith? When Jesus appeared to John to give him the Revelation did he forget to mention the freedom from exile that was there for the taking, if only John believed? If John had missed the point I'd have thought Jesus would have mentioned it, unless perhaps it wasn't God's will to deliver John from exile any more than it's God's will to heal every single person today.

 

[Alithis]

Perhaps you could elaborate here. You seem good at making this standard assertion (about dissecting your posts) but if I've done it incorrectly perhaps you could point out where and how.



... and with this you make it fairly apparent you don't read my posts. I think I've made it very clear several times that I believe God does heal. I don't believe God heals all the time. And frankly the evidence supports my case a lot more than it supports yours.



You need to look at the whole picture though. For all your claims that other people are assuming you yourself are mighty quick to make assumptions about cases like Paul's thorn or Timothy's frequent infirmities. Of course if they don't fit the theology you need to explain them away somehow.



Except if the facts we can see in front of us contradict what Scripture appears to say we have to consider the possibility that we've misunderstood what Scripture says. Otherwise all you have is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la la la" and hoping the nasty reality goes away.



How is this relevant to whether God heals everybody?



Threads like this, that look to understand? It would be nice if you could come up with some coherent explanations as to what was going on with Paul and Timothy. Instead it seems like you merely refuse to accept their plights, figure they don't fit in with the teaching you want to believe in even if that means total blind faith despite evidence, and then rustle up a few assumptions in an attempt to explain away what was going on.



Perhaps they have good reason to believe it isn't always God's will to heal. It obviously wasn't God's will to remove Paul's thorn (whatever the thorn actually was) and clearly wasn't God's will to heal Timothy of his "frequent infirmities" or Paul wouldn't have been telling him to take a little wine. It wasn't God's will to save Stephen from being martyred, nor God's will to rescue John from exile, and so on. So why do we think it has suddenly become God's will to heal us of every little thing that happens? We've got a place in heaven, isn't that an offer good enough to see past suffering in this life?



Nice try. If only it were that simple. I promised a friend I'd help him shift some furniture when he moved house. Was I lying? If you asked my friend you'd see that I delivered on my promise and helped him shift the furniture. That doesn't mean that anyone can show up at my door and say "hey, about that promise to help shift furniture" and expect me to be a free removals man for them. It doesn't even mean that my friend can turn up at my door years after I kept my promise and assume that I'm available at any time whenever he feels like claiming my furniture shifting abilities. I made a promise, I kept the promise, case closed. The fact I didn't help a total stranger who figured they were going to stand on my promise doesn't mean I broke my promise, just that I didn't make it to them.



We're arguing about whether or not God always heals. I thought that much would be obvious by now. But hey, let's look at that thing you mentioned earlier. All things are possible if you believe, so why didn't John merely claim his freedom from exile? Why didn't Paul claim freedom from the thorn that plagued him? Why didn't Timothy claim his healing from his frequent infirmities? Why didn't Stephen claim freedom from the stones that ended his life? Did they just not get the memo? Did they lack faith? When Jesus appeared to John to give him the Revelation did he forget to mention the freedom from exile that was there for the taking, if only John believed? If John had missed the point I'd have thought Jesus would have mentioned it, unless perhaps it wasn't God's will to deliver John from exile any more than it's God's will to heal every single person today.

on the point of Jesus saying "to him who believes all things are possible" .... the analogy of your friend you offer , is not even remotely close . Your not god .
healing is the will of god .. you will note the lord Jesus never instructed us to "ask god to heal " he tells US to heal the sick ... so if they are not healed is god not healing them?..or are we failing to .
we must not attribute our failure in faith ,To God . dont go blaming god .

 

[tango]

on the point of Jesus saying "to him who believes all things are possible" .... the analogy of your friend you offer , is not even remotely close . Your not god .

I never said I was God, but the analogy is sound because God saying something to one person doesn't automatically make it relevant to every other person. Just as I offered one person help shifting furniture in a way that doesn't make my promise open ended throughout time to anyone who cares to claim it, so Jesus can offer something to one person without being bound by it for all time.

healing is the will of god

You can state it as many times as you want but you still have to explain why people aren't healed. Endless repetition doesn't make something true.

.. you will note the lord Jesus never instructed us to "ask god to heal " he tells US to heal the sick ... so if they are not healed is god not healing them?..or are we failing to .

So are you saying we have the power to heal people? That seems to conflict with Peter and John in Acts 3 when they commanded the lame man "in the name of Jesus...", and if we are doing something "in the name of Jesus" it will only work if it's something Jesus wanted to do. And I'll repeat the same question that you still haven't answered - if it is as simple as "God always wants to heal" then why do we have sick people? Why don't we have those who apparently do have the faith to see healings putting the medical industry out of business? They could be hugely prosperous in the process - just think of someone walking around hospitals seeing people getting up from their beds, emptying the wards, and putting the people back out on the street fully restored to health. Think of the money they could make just by asking for a modest donation - even 100 hospital patients at a suggested donation of $100 would net $10,000 in a day. It would certainly beat working for a living, and if you had moral objections to keeping the money you could use it to fund missions to other hospitals, or to buy houses for the homeless to live in, or help widows and orphans, or whatever else worked for you.

we must not attribute our failure in faith ,To God . dont go blaming god .

Is it all about my abilities now then?

 

[Lamb]

Is it all about my abilities now then?

1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing?

Not your vocation I guess, tango!

 

[tango]

1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing?

Not your vocation I guess, tango!

There is that... if we are all supposed to be going out healing people maybe poor Paul got it wrong again by suggesting the opposite. Maybe that's why he forgot to tell poor Timothy to claim his healing instead of resorting to drinking a little wine.

It's almost enough to make me wonder if the context of a verse might be relevant somehow.

 

[Lamb]

There is that... if we are all supposed to be going out healing people maybe poor Paul got it wrong again by suggesting the opposite. Maybe that's why he forgot to tell poor Timothy to claim his healing instead of resorting to drinking a little wine.

It's almost enough to make me wonder if the context of a verse might be relevant somehow.

If you could heal yourself all the time then you wouldn't allow yourself to die either.

 

[tango]

If you could heal yourself all the time then you wouldn't allow yourself to die either.

That is just one practical problem of eliminating sickness but not death. At least with sickness we have chance to say goodbye to loved ones, rather than everything being just fine until they go from being in perfect health to suddenly dropping dead without warning.

 

[Alithis]

it is appointed unto all ,once to die . -then judgment paul speaks of dyng early through not discerning the lords body ..before their appointed time .

but is it appointed unto any of gods children to be or remain sick which can result in dying before your appointed time ? cant find that scripture
and since he says it is because we do not rightly discern the lords body ..then we see the error is ours not gods . it remains his will to heal ALL .

and the understanding being given of "the gift of healing " is the most common misconception of those who suffer unbelief in the area of healing .
healing is the children bread .

 

[tango]

it is appointed unto all ,once to die . -then judgment paul speaks of dyng early through not discerning the lords body ..before their appointed time .

but is it appointed unto any of gods children to be or remain sick which can result in dying before your appointed time ? cant find that scripture
and since he says it is because we do not rightly discern the lords body ..then we see the error is ours not gods . it remains his will to heal ALL .

and the understanding being given of "the gift of healing " is the most common misconception of those who suffer unbelief in the area of healing .
healing is the children bread .

Lots of assertions here, still an underwhelming amount of actual evidence presented to support them.

 

[Alithis]

Lots of assertions here, still an underwhelming amount of actual evidence presented to support them.

no assertions .. its just what the Scriptures state

 

[tango]

no assertions .. its just what the Scriptures state

Perhaps you could provide chapter and verse? You're making lots of assertions about what Scripture means but still can't reconcile it with verses that appear to contradict what you're saying.

If one verse appears to say "A is true" and another appears to say "A is not true" we need to figure out the total meaning because either we've misunderstood what one of them was trying to say, or Scripture contradicts itself in which case it's all but worthless. To just pick the one we like the look of and assume that the other one must be wrong isn't a way to build a sound theology because it has no counter for people who pick the other one as truth. If you can explain why they don't conflict without making more assumptions (as you've done many times with Paul and Timothy) you've probably got a stronger case. But to simply say "it's what Scripture states" when you still haven't come up with a decent answer for questions about verses that suggest it isn't what Scripture states just looks like you've strung Scripture together like a ransom note to make it say what you want it to say. And then of course there's the handy cop-out that just says "well if you don't believe of course you don't get anything".

Looking at what Jesus said about "all things are possible to him who believes" (Mark 9:23) even the context there doesn't really fit in with what you're saying. When Jesus cast the demon out of the child the disciples asked why they couldn't drive it out and he said it would only come out with prayer and fasting. Note he didn't tell them they needed to believe, he talked of prayer and fasting. So right after telling the father that he needed to believe he told the disciples they needed to pray and fast. I wonder why Jesus didn't tell the disciples it was because they lacked faith.... maybe because that wasn't the problem? Maybe "all things are possible if you believe" was relevant to that encounter rather than a universal promise to everyone throughout all time?

I'm still seeing little more than strung together theology supported by all sorts of logical fallacies and assumptions.

 

[Alithis]

Perhaps you could provide chapter and verse? You're making lots of assertions about what Scripture means but still can't reconcile it with verses that appear to contradict what you're saying.

If one verse appears to say "A is true" and another appears to say "A is not true" we need to figure out the total meaning because either we've misunderstood what one of them was trying to say, or Scripture contradicts itself in which case it's all but worthless. To just pick the one we like the look of and assume that the other one must be wrong isn't a way to build a sound theology because it has no counter for people who pick the other one as truth. If you can explain why they don't conflict without making more assumptions (as you've done many times with Paul and Timothy) you've probably got a stronger case. But to simply say "it's what Scripture states" when you still haven't come up with a decent answer for questions about verses that suggest it isn't what Scripture states just looks like you've strung Scripture together like a ransom note to make it say what you want it to say. And then of course there's the handy cop-out that just says "well if you don't believe of course you don't get anything".

Looking at what Jesus said about "all things are possible to him who believes" (Mark 9:23) even the context there doesn't really fit in with what you're saying. When Jesus cast the demon out of the child the disciples asked why they couldn't drive it out and he said it would only come out with prayer and fasting. Note he didn't tell them they needed to believe, he talked of prayer and fasting. So right after telling the father that he needed to believe he told the disciples they needed to pray and fast. I wonder why Jesus didn't tell the disciples it was because they lacked faith.... maybe because that wasn't the problem? Maybe "all things are possible if you believe" was relevant to that encounter rather than a universal promise to everyone throughout all time?

I'm still seeing little more than strung together theology supported by all sorts of logical fallacies and assumptions.

actually he first said "You unbelieving generation," .... etc before he said the rest .
but any way ..if i listen to your line of reasoning i would cease to believe God can do anything .. this entire thread discourages faith .

thankfully i do not think along these lines .
thankfully for the man this morning who had injured his shoulder and was in consistent pain .. so i told him i could help with that i will pray for it and Jesus will heal it .
and so it was . the look on his face was wonderful ...

i find that all these types of topics and this whole line of carnal reasoning as to whether its gods will to heal , are mostly done discussed in the negative ,by people who do not ever pray for the sick .
-again .. he commanded US to go heal the sick in his name ... so when you answer the question .. why don;t all get healed ? we must point the finger at us and never accuse god of evil for his promises are there for all who believe .
and when we say God doesn't heal All Christians .. we must stop and consider who it is we are accusing of failing with such words of folly that oppose the stripes laid upon his back .

 

[Lamb]

i find that all these types of topics and this whole line of carnal reasoning as to whether its gods will to heal , are mostly done discussed in the negative ,by people who do not ever pray for the sick .

That's a very dishonest claim you make

Can you PROVE that those people do not EVER pray for the sick?

Where is your biblical proof?

 

[Alithis]

That's a very dishonest claim you make

Can you PROVE that those people do not EVER pray for the sick?

Where is your biblical proof?

I dont come across any folks who go around obeying the lord jesus and healing the sick that speak in the negative about healing... Do the math.