Speaking in tongues?

[psalms 91]

lol of course

 

[Hammster]

Introductions have now been made, shake hands gentlemen then please let us all return to the topic amicably.

Okay.

There is no biblical support for what's called speaking in tongues as practiced today. There's no support for prayer language. There's been no scripture provided to back up the notion. There's only been experiences mentioned, and accusations that if you don't believe "tongues" are for today, it's because of some spiritual flaw in your life.

If anyone wants to give some scriptural support, then that would be fine.


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[MoreCoffee]

Do any of the folk here in Christianity Haven speak a real language that others can translate when they speak in tongues?

 

[Pelikan]

'Speaking tongues' would mean, for example, waking up and being able to speak to Mandarin. I mean, that would make sense, right? Christianity is on the decline in most places, but it's surging in China.

That, to me, is Biblical tongues and precisely why I think it was a gift that ceased with the apostolic era.

 

[tango]

Do any of the folk here in Christianity Haven speak a real language that others can translate when they speak in tongues?

I don't speak in tongues so can't say much about it from experience.

As I mentioned previously I have heard a friend speak in tongues that I don't understand but recently recognised one of the structures in it as being very much like Hebrew. From what I recall the particular sound formation suggested he was talking of a "faithful one".

 

[tango]

'Speaking tongues' would mean, for example, waking up and being able to speak to Mandarin. I mean, that would make sense, right? Christianity is on the decline in most places, but it's surging in China.

That, to me, is Biblical tongues and precisely why I think it was a gift that ceased with the apostolic era.

Not necessarily. Sometimes people can speak in tongues without even being aware they are doing it. I've personally been in a situation where someone spoke, I heard gibberish and the person beside me heard English.

 

[Lamb]

I grew up with some German speaking family members (mostly English but German thrown in here and there) and they passed away before I was 12. I really didn't know that some of their words were German since I was so little and half the time I wasn't listening to the adults converse anyway. Yet, I know some of that stuck into my brain.

My point with all of this is that at any point in life if we hear a foreign language our brains don't always discard the information. It's stored and could potentially be called forth when we least expect it.

Next time you hear that friend who had a few Hebrew sounding words while speaking, record him. You shouldn't be too much in awe since you've already heard him before. If only a few words are decipherable then I would suspect the brain pulled a fast one and allowed some of that stored information to be purged.

As to the person you heard speaking gibberish...The other person who heard English could have heard a few utterances that sounded like English words and his brain translated it to be true. Ever play Chinese telephone? People are convinced they heard something...but mostly it's just twisted.

It would be great if you could record your friends some time

 

[psalms 91]

Even going by what you consider toungues, why would it have ceased? Dont you see that it might be needed? Sorry, this was in answer to Pelikan

 

[psalms 91]

I grew up with some German speaking family members (mostly English but German thrown in here and there) and they passed away before I was 12. I really didn't know that some of their words were German since I was so little and half the time I wasn't listening to the adults converse anyway. Yet, I know some of that stuck into my brain.

My point with all of this is that at any point in life if we hear a foreign language our brains don't always discard the information. It's stored and could potentially be called forth when we least expect it.

Next time you hear that friend who had a few Hebrew sounding words while speaking, record him. You shouldn't be too much in awe since you've already heard him before. If only a few words are decipherable then I would suspect the brain pulled a fast one and allowed some of that stored information to be purged.

As to the person you heard speaking gibberish...The other person who heard English could have heard a few utterances that sounded like English words and his brain translated it to be true. Ever play Chinese telephone? People are convinced they heard something...but mostly it's just twisted.

It would be great if you could record your friends some time

Years ago a wpoman pastor that I knew spoke toungues and it was recorded and taken to a college injh town. It was high Hewbrew and this woman did not know Hebrew at all so I know it can happen

 

[Hammster]

Years ago a wpoman pastor that I knew spoke toungues and it was recorded and taken to a college injh town. It was high Hewbrew and this woman did not know Hebrew at all so I know it can happen

First off, there's no such thing as a woman pastor. Secondly, did you actually hear her, or was story relayed to you?

Also, Hebrew is a known language. And if she was speaking it with no one there to interpret, she was doing so unbiblically.

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[Hammster]

I'm not a hard cessationist. But pretty close. However, I'm convinced that what passes for tongues these days is gibberish. First off, there's no biblical support for it. Secondly, it's never used in a practical manner. Here's what I mean.

We sponsor a missionary couple. They are going to some area in Papau New Guinea. The area they are going to is an unreached people group. It would be nice if they could just waltz in there speaking the language. But alas. They need to learn it.




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[psalms 91]

First off, there's no such thing as a woman pastor. Secondly, did you actually hear her, or was story relayed to you?

Also, Hebrew is a known language. And if she was speaking it with no one there to interpret, she was doing so unbiblically.

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I will not engage you but yes I knew her very well and tyou may not accept it but there are many women pastors. Perhaps if there were more men qualified by God ansd willing to step up I might agree with you but I do not limit God, He will use a donkey if need be or is that nort true as well?

 

[psalms 91]

anyone else?

 

[Hammster]

I will not engage you but yes I knew her very well and tyou may not accept it but there are many women pastors. Perhaps if there were more men qualified by God ansd willing to step up I might agree with you but I do not limit God, He will use a donkey if need be or is that nort true as well?

I didn't ask if you knew her. I asked if you heard this.


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[psalms 91]

Yes I did and I saw the report on the language as well.

 

[Hammster]

So she spoke a known language. And did so in an unbiblical fashion. Not sure how that makes your case.


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[popsthebuilder]

I'm new here. Thank you for allowing me to speak.

The word of God through Christ, through tongues is utterance that you may or may not understand as it pours out. It seams to not necessarily be gibberish at all to me. It is often in a form of speaking that is slightly different from your standard tongeu in that it is more direct in one way, yet more poetic, or cryptic in another.
That's what I get from it anyway. I have witnessed it, yet not yet in a structural church setting. Thank you. Trust in God.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[Hammster]

I'm new here. Thank you for allowing me to speak.

The word of God through Christ, through tongues is utterance that you may or may not understand as it pours out. It seams to not necessarily be gibberish at all to me. It is often in a form of speaking that is slightly different from your standard tongeu in that it is more direct in one way, yet more poetic, or cryptic in another.
That's what I get from it anyway. I have witnessed it, yet not yet in a structural church setting. Thank you. Trust in God.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

What informs you that this is even biblical?


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[popsthebuilder]

What informs you that this is even biblical?


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Please forgive me for what seems off to you. The word mentions babbling, tongues, and the fact that we are not God, but follow his direction. With that being the case, I feel whole heartedly about it. All I can say is that I know it to be true through Christ under God.
Thank you.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[Hammster]

Please forgive me for what seems off to you. The word mentions babbling, tongues, and the fact that we are not God, but follow his direction. With that being the case, I feel whole heartedly about it. All I can say is that I know it to be true through Christ under God.
Thank you.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

So I have nothing subjective (Word of God) to determine if what you are saying is acceptable. All I have is your feelings.


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