Speaking in tongues?

[psalms 91]

It's not the Holy Spirit. If it was, you'd be supporting your view with scripture.


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Why, you would interpret differently, you have already demonstrated your disdain for a gift. The scripture is there, research it for yourself if you can use an open mind

 

[GenesisGirl]

I look at it from the perspective of Pentecost in Acts when all heard the Gospel in their own language. This was before the Scriptures were complete.

Yet no one understands this language whereas in Acts the language was known and understood so this is the impediment, that this "gift" benefits no one and does nothing to promote the Gospel.

 

[psalms 91]

Depends, if it is interpreted then it benefits the church and I have done that and seen it done and when it is of God your spirit bears witness of it. As a private prayer language I know I have been to the place I didnt know what to pray and the spirit made intercession for me this way.

 

[tango]

your points are mere distractions . my purpose is my point which is ,.. you look on the outer appearance and make a final judgment in your heart . but god looks on the heart and knows all things .
your judgment of the matter can never be correct from that perspective .
simply because you do not understand a spiritual language does not mean it is not a language .saying it doesn't make it so .

you have listened and you have judged .. but you are wrong in your judgments .because you simply have no grounds upon which to base that judgment .

sure you can look at the fruits and judge whether a person is walking in both belief and obedience to God .
But you simply cannot listen to tongues and judge whether it be tongues or not .it is simply not honest to say that .
You will note that tongues are not "translated " as earthly language can be . they are "interpreted" by the same Holy Spirit because the carnal mind cannot do so .

if you wish to speak of testing spirits then make judgments of that which is spoken in the churches in your own language first -a tongue you do understand .teachings of the abominations of idols and queens of heaven and blatant lies against the direct unambiguous word of god .. judge your own house first before you point the finger at another and without any basis make such a bold claim against the things of the Holy Spirit saying .. "that is not tongues " when you simply do not and cannot know .

So what are you doing when you say "it is tongues" except performing the exact same judgment? The only difference is the conclusion you draw, not the judgment you undertake to draw the conclusion.

As always the answer is balance. A lack of faith is a bad thing and blind faith in anything someone assures us is of God is just as bad. If anything the blind faith is more dangerous because it's more likely to lead us off into the wilderness chasing shadows in the mistaken belief that it's God's will for us to do so.

 

[tango]

Depends, if it is interpreted then it benefits the church and I have done that and seen it done and when it is of God your spirit bears witness of it. As a private prayer language I know I have been to the place I didnt know what to pray and the spirit made intercession for me this way.

The "your spirit bears witness with it" argument falls flat on so many levels.

What do you do if, for example, one person says that "their spirit bears witness with it" while another finds their spirit clashes with it so violently they can't bear to be in the same room? And, just to be clear, this isn't a theoretical construct, I've been in just such a situation myself. If all you're doing is waving lots of woolly words around, is such a thing of God or not? It either is of God or it isn't, and whichever it is one of the people concerned was wrong in the way they reacted to it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

your points are mere ...

Well, your post seems to be assuming a whole lot that simply is not the truth.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If what is passed as 'tongues' in today's Chrismatic meetings were a real language and not gibberish then somebody who knows the language could translate it but the stuff that is uttered is not translatable so it isn't a language.

 

[Hammster]

Why, you would interpret differently, you have already demonstrated your disdain for a gift. The scripture is there, research it for yourself if you can use an open mind

I've not shown any disdain for a gift. And since there's no scripture to support what you claim, then there's nothing to research. Plus, the burden of proof is not on me. To make it so is a poor debate tactic.


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[psalms 91]

It is not a tactic simply stating fact. You dont believe scripture is there and millions others do so I guess it all comes down to interprettation. I have no desirte to get into any debate with you given your record on the other site

 

[tango]

It is not a tactic simply stating fact. You dont believe scripture is there and millions others do so I guess it all comes down to interprettation. I have no desirte to get into any debate with you given your record on the other site

It's not simply stating a fact. Your stance appears to be little more than "my spirit bears witness to", which could be used to defend anything from speaking in tongues to chanting "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna" on street corners to transcendental meditation to worshipping the devil. Those involved in it will most likely say that it "bears witness with their spirit". Certainly the kind of psychic self-defence I used to use when I was involved in the occult "bore witness with my spirit".

If the best you can come up with is talking about this mysterious concept that something "bears witness with your spirit" you've got little more than a pantomime scene where one half shouts "Oh yes it is" and the other shouts "Oh no it isn't" and the two sides go back and forth.

Hmmm... if only we had an objective standard of truth we could refer to. That would be really handy at a time like this.

 

[psalms 91]

It's not simply stating a fact. Your stance appears to be little more than "my spirit bears witness to", which could be used to defend anything from speaking in tongues to chanting "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna" on street corners to transcendental meditation to worshipping the devil. Those involved in it will most likely say that it "bears witness with their spirit". Certainly the kind of psychic self-defence I used to use when I was involved in the occult "bore witness with my spirit".

If the best you can come up with is talking about this mysterious concept that something "bears witness with your spirit" you've got little more than a pantomime scene where one half shouts "Oh yes it is" and the other shouts "Oh no it isn't" and the two sides go back and forth.

Hmmm... if only we had an objective standard of truth we could refer to. That would be really handy at a time like this.

I think it is called the bible

 

[Hammster]

It is not a tactic simply stating fact. You dont believe scripture is there and millions others do so I guess it all comes down to interprettation. I have no desirte to get into any debate with you given your record on the other site

If you believe scripture is there, produce it. And I don't remember you from the other site. But I understand why people won't debate me when all I'm asking for is the evidence.


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[Hammster]

Depends, if it is interpreted then it benefits the church and I have done that and seen it done and when it is of God your spirit bears witness of it. As a private prayer language I know I have been to the place I didnt know what to pray and the spirit made intercession for me this way.

The Spirit makes intercession. The bible doesn't say that the Spirit makes you talk in gibberish.


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[psalms 91]

If you believe scripture is there, produce it. And I don't remember you from the other site. But I understand why people won't debate me when all I'm asking for is the evidence.


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I went by a different name over there but lets say I was involved with the complaint that got you fired

 

[Hammster]

I went by a different name over there but lets say I was involved with the complaint that got you fired

There was only one person involved in the situation that resulted in my resigning. And they don't believe in speaking in tongues. Sorry to pop your balloon.


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[psalms 91]

There was only one person involved in the situation that resulted in my resigning. And they don't believe in speaking in tongues. Sorry to pop your balloon.


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No popping to it, I am aware of the thread and the harrassment that went on and it led directly to you being let go, enough said but due to the harrassment that I saw I have no desire to ever engage you although in that case it didnt help that individual as he had to put up wuith it till it was reported to the leadership. Remember St Joe and how you even tried to get me an infraction? I went to MSC and that was taken care of rather quickly. Now do you remember the right sequence?

 

[Hammster]

No popping to it, I am aware of the thread and the harrassment that went on and it led directly to you being let go, enough said but due to the harrassment that I saw I have no desire to ever engage you although in that case it didnt help that individual as he had to put up wuith it till it was reported to the leadership. Remember St Joe and how you even tried to get me an infraction? I went to MSC and that was taken care of rather quickly. Now do you remember the right sequence?

Sorry. You still don't ring a bell. There were only two names mentioned to me. Neither one would be afraid to post scripture. So I'm at a loss.


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[psalms 91]

OK I am psalms 91 over there and I am not afraid to post scripture at all, you have shown that you would interpret totally different than I do and that is fine as tyou can do that but why bother as your mind is already made up as this thread shows

 

[Hammster]

I remember your name. But I don't remember interacting with you. And I never tried to get you an infraction.


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[GenesisGirl]

Introductions have now been made, shake hands gentlemen then please let us all return to the topic amicably.