Does Satan give power to men?

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There's only one God and to make it easier for us He became Man.
If Jesus walked around raising the dead and healing everyone and popping arms out, would you reconsider it that He doesn't exist?
I can't believe there were atheists around Him when He was on earth. The reason they exist now is that the church doesn't believe and do the same works as Jesus. I want to pop an arm out from my boss's girlfriend, but I'm too chicken and there's unbelief.
What is this "popping arms out"? I am a Chiropractor by trade, and I "pop shoulders back into place" on a regular basis. So this "popping arms out"???
 

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Hmm. I see have misquoted the passage. It's Matthew 4:8-10, not Matthew 8:4.

Regarding your quote, I don't see anything like that in the passage. Either the Devil is lying about "owning" the "kingdoms of the world" (the only scenario where he could hand over "rule" to Yeshua), or he does not. My thoughts are based on the assumption that he does, and that Yeshua rejects the offer. In my mind it seems to have biblical precedence, if we follow the line in biblical terms. Politically - Saul was the first King of Israel, and so the namesake comes into play. A King, with a King-dom. A rule by man. God told Samuel all the horrible things Saul would do, and He said that the very act of Israel choosing a King to rule over them indicated that they had rejected God as their King. With King Saul's rule came slavery of the people. Even the "good" kings (like David) has their screw ups - misusing their power for their own ends.

In non-biblical secular terms, history also bears this out with modern Kings. Or oligarchs.

To me, the point of this passage and the many other stories that it relates to are clear - slavery of some sort or another comes with the submission to delegated authority which men seek, often for their own ends, and even sometimes when their motive for seeking it is altruistic. As the saying goes - Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is true in biblical terms, it is true in secular terms and it is true personally. I'm no stranger to wanting power, and I also know that some of my worst moments involve seeking it or getting it.

There are those who go willingly into Satan's control, slaves for the selfish promises of the great liar. I do think Satan does have control. All I was saying is that we gave it to him by our own sinful desires.
 

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I tried googling popping arm out but came up empty. I'm curious. Derail my thread with my permission :D
 

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Yes, I am curious as well
 

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There are those who go willingly into Satan's control, slaves for the selfish promises of the great liar. I do think Satan does have control. All I was saying is that we gave it to him by our own sinful desires.

Story as old as this one:

1 Samuel chapter 8.

Just out of curiosity - have you ever read or watched anything by Larkin Rose? "The Most Dangerous Assumption" is what I'm thinking specifically.
 
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