Can you be sinless for even one second?

[Alithis]

I see that you are in denial about the full extent of what sin is and how limited you've made it out to be. No wonder you feel you're on the way to being something completely awesome? I'll keep trusting in Jesus and His covering me in perfect righteousness. You can keep on trusting in yourself.

i trust in the lord jesus only .. he is awesome - he sets us free from sin so that we do not have to serve it any more - he said my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me ...

no wonder i feel i'm onto something wonderful- the lord jesu has made me a new creation in him .. im not on my way to it ..he has already done it . he is teaching me to live in what he has already done .dont you beleive what is written ?

making loose accusation of whom you think i trust in is not a judgment you can make
..in the name of the lord jesus i declare i trust in him alone for my salvation and beleive his word is absolute in truth and that he is able to do everything he promises to do .. and that he has done everything he already says he has done = turning it into an attack against me will not in any way change what is plainly written .

the word of god states that if a person continues to practice sin then they do not know god . its not speaking about a one off singular mistake someone might make . its speaking of a continuance in sin.

like when a man continues to look at and lust porn and then goes to church and prays forgive me . with intent to go and do so again... and he goes and does so again.. he is practicing sin.- john says he doesn't know god .(i didn't write it ..)

when a Doctor goes to work, we say he is" practicing medicine" ... he may go home for 3 days and while he is home he doesnt have anything to do with medicine .. but then he returns to the hospital and continues doing it .. he is continuing to practice medicine .

when a person continues to practice a sin ... they are continuing in the practice of it ... John writes that when we are born of god we DO NOT continue to practice sin.. we cannot continue .. God causes us to cease .. HE does it .. and becaseu we know him we yield to him and he transforms us so that we DO NOT CONTINUE ..., thus if we still continue we do not know him we are not yield to him we are not obedient to him we are not being transformed by him because we are not his -if that is the case the remedy is simple .. we must repent and be buried in baptism into christ's death by burial that we may also be raised up into his resurrection -he makes us a new creature in himself and empowers us to walk in HIS holiness by HIS power to HIS glory .-- it good news

 

[psalms 91]

Altheis you know that in mahy cases I agree with you but if John was right in the way you say then explain the verse that says if any man says he doesnt sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him.

 

[Lamb]

God causes us to cease .. HE does it .. and becaseu we know him we yield to him and he transforms us so that we DO NOT CONTINUE ..., thus if we still continue we do not know him we are not yield to him we are not obedient to him we are not being transformed by him because we are not his -if that is the case the remedy is simple .. we must repent and be buried in baptism into christ's death by burial that we may also be raised up into his resurrection -he makes us a new creature in himself and empowers us to walk in HIS holiness by HIS power to HIS glory .-- it good news

And yet we see how you disrespect your neighbor continuously on this site. It's not the scripture. It's you. You disobeyed God's law.

 

[Josiah]

John writes that when we are born of god we DO NOT continue to practice sin.. we cannot continue .. God causes us to cease ..

Again, WHO is this "we?" (I've been asking that of you for some 11 months - you yet have to answer it) Would you please list the names of at least 10 living persons who ceased sin (whether because God caused such or otherwise)? People who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark (don't sin but obey)? These perfect, sinless people. If you would name at least one, that would help (if you are right in your twist, then there MUST be at least one out of 7.3 BILLION people!) Come on, if you are going to deny what Scripture says, "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one....... if ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a LAIR", well.... at least present one person who proves these Scriptures to be wrong.

But again..... I think you got yourself into this mess because some teacher presented this mess to you - this confused, mixed-up, entangled Law and Gospel..... this watered-down, diluted Law and Gospel - and we're just witnessing how unbiblical it is, how unchristian it is, how it's actually pushed you into the soteriology of Bhakt Hinduism. MANY (for months now) have patiently, lovingly TRIED to untangle this and restore Law and Gospel to their power and beauty for you..... Lamm, Turtle, even Bill.... but to no avail.




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[Alithis]

Altheis you know that in mahy cases I agree with you but if John was right in the way you say then explain the verse that says if any man says he doesnt sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him.

I have elsewhere..in order to recieve forgivness in the first place we must admit we have sin..
But after doing so and repenting, do we then continue to Do Sin.. Do we continue to practice it? The word of god says no.

The problem arises only when you take that verse out of the script and present alone. But when john wrote it ..there was no verse.. It was part of a whole statement covered by his entire 1st letter. The verses were added by men latter. So confusion arises when we start and stop at a single verse.

 

[Alithis]

And yet we see how you disrespect your neighbor continuously on this site. It's not the scripture. It's you. You disobeyed God's law.

your intent to accuse me of sin based on your own standard is unwise. For that is the measure you now set for yourself to be judged by.
I present the word of god and you accuse me of sin.. I present the word of God and stand by it and you accuse me of sin.
I declare faith in christ alone and you accuse me of sin.
I stand on his promises that he can do ALLhe has said and oppose any implying he cannot.. And you accuse me of sin ...
I see a troubling pattern here...

 

[Alithis]

Again, WHO is this "we?" (I've been asking that of you for some 11 months - you yet have to answer it) Would you please list the names of at least 10 living persons who ceased sin (whether because God caused such or otherwise)? People who never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark (don't sin but obey)? These perfect, sinless people. If you would name at least one, that would help (if you are right in your twist, then there MUST be at least one out of 7.3 BILLION people!) Come on, if you are going to deny what Scripture says, "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one....... if ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a LAIR", well.... at least present one person who proves these Scriptures to be wrong.

But again..... I think you got yourself into this mess because some teacher presented this mess to you - this confused, mixed-up, entangled Law and Gospel..... this watered-down, diluted Law and Gospel - and we're just witnessing how unbiblical it is, how unchristian it is, how it's actually pushed you into the soteriology of Bhakt Hinduism. MANY (for months now) have patiently, lovingly TRIED to untangle this and restore Law and Gospel to their power and beauty for you..... Lamm, Turtle, even Bill.... but to no avail.




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[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION]. ...

Which part of this scripture do you disagree with...

Opposing me will not make this scripture vanish.
Lets say you got your hearts desire and silenced me...
This scripture will still be there...

Which part of this scripture do you oppose and why are you opposed to it.

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

 

[Romanos]

ADMIN POST

Back on topic please.​

 

[Alithis]

ADMIN POST

Back on topic please.​

I am on topic ..
how about you apply the warning about posting things which we feel must be addressed but lead the thread off topic ..like when lamech makes post that completely ignore the topic and are just attacking accusations of sin against me .

please apply the same rule to al or dont apply it at all as that would be unjust .


the Op states the question can we be sinless for even one second..
the answer is YES of course we can .. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

al means all .. at that moment we stand in a sinless state before him - if it were not so then did he lie? he did not lie .

if we then abide in christ trusting him and listening to him and doing what HE tells us to do .. and what point will we then go an return to doing a sin again? we wont .
just as it is written -if we walk in the spirit we will not fulfil the lust of the flesh . all sin originates in the lust of the flesh..; ie adam saw with their eyes that the fruit was good and they desired it they lusted it .coveted it .

but now the new man in christ is of the Spirit and if we walk in the spirit will not fulfil the lust of the flesh ..thus not only are we cleansed from sin at the moment we recive forgiveness we remain cleansed from sin until we chose to commit a sin again . which is in itself an act of rebellion if we know that action is a sin and then go and do it anyway .
so we see it is possible to remain sinless for far longer then .. a second .

 

[visionary]

Next question is how about two seconds?
one minute?
one hour?
one day?

Each is gaining, overcoming, victorious, steadfast, patient, long suffering, tolerant, kind, loving, giving, serving, ... in fact, so busy do good, that every thought is focused on what else can you do for God, that there is no time left to think of self, let alone be tempted to sin any more in God's Presence.

 

[TurtleHare]

The question on my mind is for those who think they've achieved this wonderful accomplishment, then when exactly did that happen and then what happened that you are no longer sinless?

 

[Josiah]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION]. ...

Which part of this scripture do you disagree with...

I never disagree with Scripture. It's just I accept it all - AT FULL FACE VALUE: Law as Law, Gospel as Gospel. Not confusing or entangling or diluting them.... not canceling either.

We sin.
God forgives sin in Christ.
Both are true. Totally.
The Law shows us our sin
The Gospel shows us and applies to us God's mercy, forgiveness in Christ.


Now, we're still waiting for that list of at least 10 living people who have ceased sin (never missing the mark) and are obedient (always hitting the mark) - the only people you claim God saves, the people who would prove Scripture wrong when it says "No one is righteous, no, not even one" "if anyone claims to be without sin, he lies and deceives only himself.

Which part of this scripture do you oppose and why are you opposed to it.

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

I accept all of it, every word of it. It does not state that some people have ceased to sin, that some are obedient.... It does not state that God only forgives those who have nothing to forgive, it does not say that God only saves those who are obedient and thus need no saving. It does not say that the Law cancels the Gospel making Christ a worthless joke. It doesn't say ANY of the theology you have been promoting for 11 months now in thread after thread.

It shares the Gospel - sinners, disobedient ones are forgiven in Christ. And relates the Law - the call to perfection, to love. Neither is canceled by the other. Nothing is confused, entangled or diluted. As Lamm, Turtle, Tigger and others have been trying (so patiently, so lovingly) to tell you for 11 months now. We've addressed your Pharisical watered down sense of Law and your abandonment of the Gospel and how you entangle and confuse them, destroying Christianity in the process.


Read these, they can REALLY help you!
http://www.christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?1900-LAW-and-GOSPEL
http://www.christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?2020-Muhammad-Ali-(Yes-this-is-a-Theology-thread)



Soli DEO Gloria!



- Josiah