The law in the gospel.

[TubbyTubby]

Lastly I ask kindly, that you do not come here with the intent to weaken the faith of others. It isn't comparable to theists coming on atheist sites because atheists in general take faith and religious endeavor as a joke, so speaking to them of the things of faith doesn't hurt them in any way. They are without belief and that isn't taken from them by the faithful who come to their place and talk. But for one to do the opposite can have detrimental effects on those of weak faith. I'm pretty sure you're aware of this which makes me question your motives for being here.

Noted. I'll try to behave, I'm not sure I honestly have a motive other than the curiosity about how people believe in the supernatural.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Noted. I'll try to behave, I'm not sure I honestly have a motive other than the curiosity about how people believe in the supernatural.

I often wonder why people equate the supernatural with what isn't known by science; seeing as science is simply ununified theories. It's strange to me how people can insist all is of chance yet chance itself can't be proven in any form. It's baffling to me how people can claim no intelligence was needed for the existence we belong to, yet absolutely every observable part of that existence can be defined exactly within mathematics. It's odd how we can only observe in part the natural laws that bind, but still we insist that nothing more intelligent than us formed these things that created nature and all within it in some way.

Lastly; you may be honestly unaware of your passive aggressive, insinuating tactics, as others may be too, but know those things won't go unchecked here either. I truly am sorry for being so blunt, but it seems needed for the reasons I discussed earlier. I am not attacking you or your views. Please, let's discuss further, but also, please search out your motives within yourself, and realign your form of conversation around that revision of motives to a more honest reason. I do look forward to further conversation with you as having the tables turned is a welcome change from what I'm used to. You are very welcome here, please don't think otherwise.

Peace, with humility.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

If I was born to parents in a remote outpost who had no concept of god then I would be unlikely to make one up myself. Generally, children take the god concept from their parents or other social circles.

I'm 48 years old.

I agree. I didn't make one up either. Nor did I refer to ancient texts initially.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Religious scripture appears to be ancient ancestors description of an ideology along with invented ideas that try to explain the world they lived in because they knew no better. If I look at Genesis from your favourite (plagiarised) book for instance, it's clear that none of it fits with our understanding of how we got here. It's romantic myth from thousands of years ago and I can't accept a story of a supernatural being magically bringing the world into existence and making man from dirt and woman from his rib. It just reads like fantasy to me.


I don't know how a spirit or soul is defined or what it actually is.

I too can agree in part on this point as well. A literal interpretation seems to be, to me, where the Jew got it wrong. Most here will likely not agree with that opinion though.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[psalms 91]

Noted. I'll try to behave, I'm not sure I honestly have a motive other than the curiosity about how people believe in the supernatural.

Let me ask you this what do you believe in, how do you explain anything coming into existance? You can only take it back so far and then nothing, what caused it in the first place

 

[TubbyTubby]

Let me ask you this what do you believe in, how do you explain anything coming into existance? You can only take it back so far and then nothing, what caused it in the first place

'Believe' isn't the correct word, I accept the science that, so far, best explains the natural world and universe as observed.

There is no way of knowing and therefore no explanation for a 'first cause' so I don't have an opinion on that matter. Maybe there was no first cause, maybe the Universe is eternal I don't know. Just because I'm atheist it doesn't mean I'm an expert in astrophysics (but I do study it) or any other science discipline.

Like I said, I'm happy to say "I don't know" to some questions. You prefer to assert an uncreated supernatural creator as the first cause without evidence.

Hopefully that doesn't come across as passive aggressive.

 

[psalms 91]

'Believe' isn't the correct word, I accept the science that, so far, best explains the natural world and universe as observed.

There is no way of knowing and therefore no explanation for a 'first cause' so I don't have an opinion on that matter. Maybe there was no first cause, maybe the Universe is eternal I don't know. Just because I'm atheist it doesn't mean I'm an expert in astrophysics (but I do study it) or any other science discipline.

Like I said, I'm happy to say "I don't know" to some questions. You prefer to assert an uncreated supernatural creator as the first cause without evidence.

Hopefully that doesn't come across as passive aggressive.

Not at all, I guess what i have trouble with the complexity and balance of it all. Look at how complex we are how our bodies work together, look at how majestic a tree is, and so on. Hard for me not to believe that it was created

 

[TubbyTubby]

Not at all, I guess what i have trouble with the complexity and balance of it all. Look at how complex we are how our bodies work together, look at how majestic a tree is, and so on. Hard for me not to believe that it was created

The Theory of Evolution can explain that for you. It may seem, on the face of it and from a limited human lifespan, to be designed but repeated observations from multiple fields of study will tell you otherwise.

 

[psalms 91]

The theory of evolution is a crock, always has been and the more the scientific community you seem to liek discovers the more it knows that

 

[TubbyTubby]

The theory of evolution is a crock, always has been and the more the scientific community you seem to liek discovers the more it knows that

You can deny it all you like but the ToE is the most supported and evidenced theory of all. As I said in another thread, it forms a cornerstone of all modern biology, it simply can't be refuted.

There's a very good reason that it is taught in all established higher education biology classes around the world bill.

 

[psalms 91]

You can deny it all you like but the ToE is the most supported and evidenced theory of all. As I said in another thread, it forms a cornerstone of all modern biology, it simply can't be refuted.

There's a very good reason that it is taught in all established higher education biology classes around the world bill.

Yeah and I still think that the more they discover the less they really know, it is a theory and not a fact although we seem to disagree on the definition of theory

 

[Alithis]

lol atheists are so full of lies and deceit.. .your here to oppose the faith you lying spirit .you have no other motive for being here . thats what the spirit of this world does and you are full of it .

some here advice we be "nice ' about that ? but the truth is if you walked into a congregation and took the stage and started spouting these demonic lies you would be removed forthwith . so that advice is of double standard .

you need to repent of your ways and thoughts and change your mind
the lord jesus became one of us ,died on the cross for your and my Sin ,lay in the ground three days and three nights and rose from the dead in victory over sin and death.. and you need to repent ,be baptised and receive the holy Ghost . then and only then will you escape the full judgment of god that comes upon the world .

 

[psalms 91]

lol atheists are so full of lies and deceit.. .your here to oppose the faith you lying spirit .you have no other motive for being here . thats what the spirit of this world does and you are full of it .

some here advice we be "nice ' about that ? but the truth is if you walked into a congregation and took the stage and started spouting these demonic lies you would be removed forthwith . so that advice is of double standard .

you need to repent of your ways and thoughts and change your mind
the lord jesus became one of us ,died on the cross for your and my Sin ,lay in the ground three days and three nights and rose from the dead in victory over sin and death.. and you need to repent ,be baptised and receive the holy Ghost . then and only then will you escape the full judgment of god that comes upon the world .

I think all should be welcomed including athiests, who knows maybe we will rub off on him but we need to show love, we dont have to agree but we should show love

 

[TubbyTubby]

lol atheists are so full of lies and deceit.. .your here to oppose the faith you lying spirit .you have no other motive for being here . thats what the spirit of this world does and you are full of it .

Tell me what a 'lying spirit' is please my friend?

And how do you know I am full of it?

 

[Rens]

You can deny it all you like but the ToE is the most supported and evidenced theory of all. As I said in another thread, it forms a cornerstone of all modern biology, it simply can't be refuted.

There's a very good reason that it is taught in all established higher education biology classes around the world bill.

Lumsden said it's bankrupt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLltwJDoX4

 

[Lamb]

Here's a friendly staff reminder that the Christian Theology forum is for Christians only.

 

[Alithis]

I think all should be welcomed including athiests, who knows maybe we will rub off on him but we need to show love, we dont have to agree but we should show love

i do .. it is called speaking the truth .
i have spoken the Gospel to him and warned him to repent of his ways .
his replies are the replies of a lieing mocking spirit there is no truth in him nor desire to know any such truth .

Jesus came to seek and save the lost .he also came to heal those "who know they are sick (sinner) .. not those who think they aren't and are self assured in their rebellious minds .they are just waves frothing out their shame . it is answering fool according to his folly.

i assure you .. you entertain them , you give them place and you will only regret it .

 

[Lamb]

What does love our neighbor look like? Give the Gospel? Yes. Degrade them in public? No. You could have stopped when you just posted the good news about the Savior but you insisted on belittling him as well. Not cool.

 

[Alithis]

What does love our neighbor look like? Give the Gospel? Yes. Degrade them in public? No. You could have stopped when you just posted the good news about the Savior but you insisted on belittling him as well. Not cool.

so you think but i referred to the spirit .
mind you i see things from an eternal perspective increasingly .., people who are inspired by the spirit of antichrist and speak as such people do.. drag people to an eternal doom . it is the epitome of hatred in their godless words spreading doubt on the faith of the weaker .. it is they I must love Also . i dont pamper the spirit of antichrist. you will observe that i speak against the spirit that is behind atheism . i haven't referred to the person or persons .. but atheism itself which is fully devil inspired lies and of utter foolishness . for the fear of god is the beginning of wisdom.. and atheism does not even have the beginning of wisdom.
i give the devil NO place what so ever . nor have any time for his defeated attempts to spread lies .
when you consider what their philosophies lead themselves and others to ... you would ban them as soon as they declare their God hating stance . give NO PLACE to the devil .. no place at all.

 

[psalms 91]

Yeah, that ow to reach them, by banning them? By making them a worse child of the devil by making them harbor bad feelings toward christians mmore than they do now? I think not