The law in the gospel.

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Romans 8:1-10 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who are not walking according to the flesh.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed me from the law of sin and death.
3 For though this was impossible under the law, because it was weakened by the flesh, God sent his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and because of sin, in order to condemn sin in the flesh, 4 so that the justification of the law might be fulfilled in us. For we are not walking according to the flesh, but according to the spirit.
5 For those who are in agreement with the flesh are mindful of the things of the flesh. But those who are in agreement with the spirit are mindful of the things of the spirit.
6 For the prudence of the flesh is death. But the prudence of the spirit is life and peace. 7 And the wisdom of the flesh is inimical to God. For it is not subject to the law of God, nor can it be. 8 So those who are in the flesh are not able to please God. 9 And you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if it is true that the Spirit of God lives within you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is within you, then the body is indeed dead, concerning sin, but the spirit truly lives, because of justification.​
Make no mistake. The Gospel contains the new law.
 

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There is no law in the Gospel.


The LAW:

What is the Law?

The Law is the will of God - flowing from His absolute perfection and justice. It is, in essence, that we be as He is - not in terms of essence but character.


Psalm 51:5 "I was sinful at birth"

Genesis 8:21, "Every inclination of man's heart is evil from childhood."

Romans 5:12, "Sin entered the world through one man's sin, and death through sin, and therefore death came to all men for all have sinned."

First John 3:4, "Sin is lawlessness"

Romans 3:12, "There is no one who does good, not even one."

Mark 10:18, "There is none who is good but God exclusively."

First John 1:10, "If we claim we have no sin, we make God a liar and His word is not in us."

There are at least 613 laws specifically written just in the Old Testament. We think often of the Ten Commandments but actually there are many, many more just in the OT - and still more in the NT.




What does the Law mandate?

Essentially, that our character be identical to His.


Matthew 5:48, "You must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."

1 Peter 1:16, "You must be holy even as God in heaven is holy."

John 15:12, "Love all people just as I (Jesus) first loved you."

Ephesians 4:32, "forgiving one another, just as God in Christ first forgave you."

First John 2:6, "Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did."

Philippians 2:5, "You must have the same attitude that Christ did."




The word "sin" literally means "to miss the mark." In ancient Greece, if an archer missed the target, the therefore "sinned" because he missed the mark, missed the target. The Bible says "ALL fall short." IF you have absolutely, perfectly, divinely, 24/7 "hit" all the targets above, then you are obedient and free of sin. Otherwise...... Well, the Bible would be correct and not lying when it says that "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one." "For ALL fall short." "NO ONE is good." "If you claim to have no sin (you hit the mark), then you lie and call God a liar."


The LAW has two functions:

Civil - Our relationships in this fallen world. This was not given until around 1400 BC when the first Law was given to Moses on Mount Sinai, with a purpose of GUIDING peoples' relationships. This is very much like our own national laws - they govern relationships. Civil law does not get us into heaven, it helps us get along with others, it helps our society work better.... if everyone kept the law, this would be a nicer place in which to live and die (and eventually go to hell). This applies just as much to non-Christians as to Christians - it applies to all. The Law cannot save - and in this first use, it's not remotely its intention. Now.... true..... IF we kept all the law, we'd go to heaven (because we would not NEED God or Christ or mercy or forgiveness or salvation or justification or the Cross or the Blood - we'd not need the Gospel - because we'd essentially be God: divinely perfect, divinely holy, divinely loving..... totally, absolutely..... 100%....... 24/7...... but then in that case, we'd not need the civil law because we'd be perfect - in nature, in being, in attitude, in thought, in word, in deed. We can NEVER achieve the Law (and we don't). Like Paul, we must confess that we are "CHIEF OF SINNERS" and that we are not - not - perfect as God demands.... but we CAN press on toward that. Why? Because Jesus was a joke and Christianity is wrong - we gotta save ourselves? WE save SELF via the Law - by being absolutely 100% perfect just as God is perfect? Nope. We press on toward that because our life and our world would be a whole lot better off. And because it pleases God whom we love.



Theological - Our relationship to God. This is to drive us to our knees, to drive us to despair, to accuse us, to drive us to God's MERCY, God's HEART, God's FORGIVENESS..... to reveal the need for a Savior, a Cross. We CANNOT and ARE NOT what God intends and commands. That NO ONE is righteous..... NO ONE is good..... every other religion on the planet is fundamentally wrong because we cannot clean up our act and become what God mandates: absolutely perfect, absolutely holy, absolutely loving.... if anyone CLAIMS to be without sin (to always hit the mark), well.... to be blunt..... they LIE and DECEIVE themselves (but no one else - least of all God!). We are SINNERS! We MISS THE MARK! We are FALLEN! We need SALVATION, MERCY, JUSTIFICATION... IF we look to the LAW as the tool of salvation, ALL that happens is that we get slapped down - completely, totally, every time. (Note: THIS is why people want to water down the law SO MUCH as to make it unrecognizable, insulting God and the Law - all to make it so that we can boast "but I keep the Law - I don't need no God, no Christ, no Cross, no Blood, no mercy - I got ME!!!" All as an enemy of Christ, a destroyer of the Gospel, all in an attempt to substitute the theology of Judaism, Islam and Bhakti Hinduism in place of Christianity - to promote THEIR soteriology which is "Self saves self although because of the TIME and HELP which God provides") The theological use is to ask ourselves, "Am I all that God commands?" The only reasonable answer is: "NO!" And thus to flee to the mercy seat of God, the heart of God..... He who says "Yes" the Bible specifically says is a "fool" and is a "liar"

BOTH of these functions continue after justification..... we are STILL called to be absolutely, divinely PERFECT, we are still called to live civilly in society; indeed Christians have unique commands: to love EXACTLY as Christ did, to LIVE exactly as Christ did, to make disciples of all 7.3 billion people, etc. The Law doesn't disappear or get watered down to nothing (as some Christians insist) when we are justified... but it also has nothing to do with our justification just because we are justified.





The GOSPEL


What is the Gospel?

It is the heart of God, the mercy of God, what God has done FOR us, the gifts from God, the promises of God - all in view of CHRIST alone: the Cross, the Blood, the Empty Tomb.


Galatians 2:21, "If justification were through the Law then Christ died for no purpose."

Philippians 3:9, "Not because of our works, lest anyone can boast."

Romans 3:20, "No human being will be justified in God's sight by works of the Law."

First John 4:10, "Not that we love God but rather that He loves us."

First John 4:8, "God is love."

John 3:16, "For God so (unconditionally) love the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but has everlasting life."

Romans 5:8, "God shows His love for us in that while we were enemies of God, Christ died for us."

First John 2:2, "Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins."

Titus 3:5, "God saves us not because of our deeds of righteousness but rather in view of His own mercy."

Romans 6:23, "The free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus."

Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing but rather it is the free gift of God."

John 3:36, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life."



This Gospel also applies to our lives as Christians....

Hebrews 13:5, "I will never leave you or forsake you."

First John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, God is faithful to His promise and will forgive our sins."

.... and so VERY much more.... all entirely because of the heart of God, the unconditional love of God, the mercy of God.... in view of the Lamb, the Blood, the Cross, the Christ, the Savior.




LAW: You need the SAVIOR to SAVE you.
GOSPEL: God gave you The Savior in whom you have forgiveness, justification, life.




The Law does not negate or cancel or diminish the Gospel.... nor does the Gospel negate, cancel or diminish the Law... both are real, both are true, both stand in ALL their force and truth... and they can only accomplish their task if we allow them to stand FULLY - not watering them down, not confusing them, not entangling them, not misapplying them. A Christian (one who is justified, narrow - by Christ ALONE, by the SAVIOR, via the Cross, because of the Gospel!) is still called to absolute, total, divine perfection, holiness, obedience, love... still called to always, perfectly HIT THE MARK, right on, every time, 24/7, as much as God does, in our nature, our being, our attitude, our thoughts, our words, our deeds: both for civil reasons AND so that we realize we fail and need Gods' mercy. We strive forward because we love God and because this is the will of God..... but we never fully attain it, we miss the mark, we fall short more often and more greatly than we realize. And so, thanks be to God, the Gospel remains (FULLY, completely, in all its' power and force and beauty): God is merciful, God forgives, because of the Lamb, because of the Cross, because of the Blood, because of His unconditional love, because of His Son, because there is the SAVIOR - Jesus Christ.







Pax CHRISTI


- Josiah





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And the Word was God..
 

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Romans 8:1-10 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who are not walking according to the flesh.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed me from the law of sin and death.
3 For though this was impossible under the law, because it was weakened by the flesh, God sent his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and because of sin, in order to condemn sin in the flesh, 4 so that the justification of the law might be fulfilled in us. For we are not walking according to the flesh, but according to the spirit.
5 For those who are in agreement with the flesh are mindful of the things of the flesh. But those who are in agreement with the spirit are mindful of the things of the spirit.
6 For the prudence of the flesh is death. But the prudence of the spirit is life and peace. 7 And the wisdom of the flesh is inimical to God. For it is not subject to the law of God, nor can it be. 8 So those who are in the flesh are not able to please God. 9 And you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if it is true that the Spirit of God lives within you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is within you, then the body is indeed dead, concerning sin, but the spirit truly lives, because of justification.​
Make no mistake. The Gospel contains the new law.


yup i cant disagree with this uncle nescafe ...

because it is scripture .. written there as plain as day .. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed me from the law of sin and death.


so i dont have to obey the law of sin any more nor adhere to it nor serve it :D .. i rejoice .it is very GOOD NEWS .. ooouh thats what the gospel means by the way.. it means "good news of JEsus the messiah "
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Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2 As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4 They are surprised [/U]that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
 

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again you do not serve it as long as you do not go back into it by sin, I dont know of anyone that can say thuiss. I know some very good people thta i consider an example and they will tell you thta thye sin, so I do believe scriopture but I think there is a deeper meaning to the scripture you allude to
 

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again you do not serve it as long as you do not go back into it by sin, I dont know of anyone that can say thuiss. I know some very good people thta i consider an example and they will tell you that they sin, so I do believe scripture but I think there is a deeper meaning to the scripture you allude to

by now i would hope it has sunk in bro.. the crucial difference between "a sin " and the continued practice of sin .

huge huge difference .

would any one here say that going to a prostitute and paying for sex ... is NOT a sin ? im confident none would .(but we've had some off responses round here )

would any one say that person who did that after becoming a christian .. did "A" (singular) sin . -- all would say so i would hope .

so why do some find it so hard to see that a person who has been born of god will not continue to do that or continue in the practice doing that every week in and week out ..

just as it is written .. one who is born of god does not CONTINUE IN SIN ... nor do they excuse others of doing so .. the repent and cease -and do righteousness instead that is how we know they are born of god .

if a person does not cease but keeps sneaking off going and laying with a prostitute every other week or so .. this displays they are NOT of GOD .. that is what the scripture states and that is what is so .
please read 1 john 3 .. and you cannot miss that it is written and it is so .(not that you do miss it )

we are freed from the being servants (slaves to sin ) we do not ever HAVE to sin.. there is no power that can compel us beyond our own will to sin. we are busy walking in christ's righteousness doing what he tells us to do . we are free from sin and is power and its dominion and its sting of death ..it is NOT our master any more .
he came to set us free .. we dont jump back in the swamp he just freed us from .unless we really really loved that swamp and not him .

-- but if i leave the topic there some get offended or falsely condemned .. but all they must do is realize what jesus has done for them . turn TO him,receive forgiveness and then KNOW they dont ever have to go back to doing it again .HE GIVES US the power to over come as HE overcame .

when any one suggest a person cannot ever stop tier sin ( and i do wish people would state what sin they speak of ) they deny the power of god .. it is hardly a surprise they do not know the power of god at work in their life when they are busy denying his power because they have not yet believed he is able to do what he promised .
 

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Ok that makes sense
 

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The law of life vs the law of sin and death... the fine line between the two is found in obedience and disobedience... The written THE TEN are the dividing line.... they define what is sin. When you enter the law of sin and death, have broken the LAW of HOLY LIFE. You can read the consequences for sinning, the death that follows in the parchments that Moses wrote. You will find it in the law of Moses. There is no way THE TEN [the Law of God] are either SINFUL or have DEATH as a punishment for those who obey them.
 
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...how do we like a post from mobile site?
 

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Never tried posting from mobile site... admin question

mehh ..i'll do it later at home.
we can do anything there is no law against doing.;)
while we are busy doing that which there is no law against..we are not sinning :)
 

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-and here i take my leave for a while -
 

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oh .. at the time i was on chrome browser on my phone ..



You should see the button to like a post. Let me check though.
 

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More importantly, why should ancient blather like 'Romans' be relevant to anyone in 2016?
 

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More importantly, why should ancient blather like 'Romans' be relevant to anyone in 2016?

That's easy. Romans is relevant to Christians. It is relevant because it is part of the holy scriptures accepted by Christians as inspired by God. Because it is accepted as inspired it is regarded as normative religious teaching to be received by all the faithful as truth revealed by God.
 

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That's easy. Romans is relevant to Christians. It is relevant because it is part of the holy scriptures accepted by Christians as inspired by God. Because it is accepted as inspired it is regarded as normative religious teaching to be received by all the faithful as truth revealed by God.

Fair enough. Not relevant unless you buy into the stories as real though. Just seems like poetic waffle from a bygone age to me.
 

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More importantly, why should ancient blather like 'Romans' be relevant to anyone in 2016?

Thanks for coming here to insult us amd probably never to return butt what you refer to as blather is what the one true God wants us to know about him. If you're interested in learning more you will return here and discuss in a more kind manner sound good?
 
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