Do you think the Gospel makes you uncomfortable?

[Alithis]

Being righteous because of Christ (and yes, the way we live our lives, our vocations and producing fruit can only be righteous BY FAITH in Christ Jesus who covers us) does not mean being sinless. As Josiah points out, we still sin. No one is saying we must but that we do. No one is perfectly obeying the 1st commandment, for none of us have our faith perfected (Philippians 3:12 12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been perfected,) and our sanctification is a continuation until our deaths that the Holy Spirit is working within us.

The Gospel states that we are clothed in Christ's righteousness. Does that make people uncomfortable?
The Gospel states that our sins are forgiven. Do people not want to believe that?

i must ask tediously ... if you ,, as you say yourself .'still sin " .. what sin is it you speak of ? and why do you still do it ?

 

[Josiah]

i must ask tediously ... if you ,, as you say yourself .'still sin " .. what sin is it you speak of ? and why do you still do it ?

Perhaps she is imperfect - and thus violates Matthew 5:48? I know I am! SAINT and Apostle Paul wrote that he is (present tense!) the "CHIEF of sinners" so Paul insists that he too is a sinner (He doesn't list examples of the symptoms of that, but then that's none of your business). SAINT and Apostle John, also writing to CHRISTIANS, says that if ANYONE (pretty inclusive, huh) claims (present tense) to be (present tense) to be without sin, he LIES. He doesn't list examples for all the billions of people who have, are and will be alive on the planet (none of your business) but the ANYONE seems to cover that.


No Scripture says we cease sinning. It says NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one. If ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a LIAR. Scripture does tell us to not sin (LAW) but the Law does not cancel out, eliminate, destroy the GOSPEL and render Christ, the Cross a worthless joke and render God unfaithful to His promises.

Thus, your CONSTANT, perpetual rant in many different threads that Christians don't sin is not only unbiblical but of course obviously WRONG which is why you can't produce the name of even one - not even one person out of 7.3 BILLION living persons on the Planet Earth - who has ceased to sin, who never misses the mark ("sin") and thus always hits the mark (24/7, perfectly, absolutely) - proving your point wrong. And it also mandates that you dilutes or destroys both Law and Gospel (and thus Christianity) as you constantly does, promoting instead the soteriology of Bhakti Hinduism (we render ourselves such that NEED NO forgiveness, mercy, forgiveness, Gospel, Cross, Blood, Christ, Savior by adequately tapping divine HELP to cease sin).



Pax Soli Christi



- Josiah

 

[Alithis]

Perhaps she is imperfect - and thus violates Matthew 5:48? I know I am! SAINT and Apostle Paul wrote that he is (present tense!) the "CHIEF of sinners" so Paul insists that he too is a sinner (He doesn't list examples of the symptoms of that, but then that's none of your business). SAINT and Apostle John, also writing to CHRISTIANS, says that if ANYONE (pretty inclusive, huh) claims (present tense) to be (present tense) to be without sin, he LIES. He doesn't list examples for all the billions of people who have, are and will be alive on the planet (none of your business) but the ANYONE seems to cover that.


No Scripture says we cease sinning. It says NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one. If ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a LIAR. Scripture does tell us to not sin (LAW) but the Law does not cancel out, eliminate, destroy the GOSPEL and render Christ, the Cross a worthless joke and render God unfaithful to His promises.

Thus, your CONSTANT, perpetual rant in many different threads that Christians don't sin is not only unbiblical but of course obviously WRONG which is why you can't produce the name of even one - not even one person out of 7.3 BILLION living persons on the Planet Earth - who has ceased to sin, who never misses the mark ("sin") and thus always hits the mark (24/7, perfectly, absolutely) - proving your point wrong. And it also mandates that you dilutes or destroys both Law and Gospel (and thus Christianity) as you constantly does, promoting instead the soteriology of Bhakti Hinduism (we render ourselves such that NEED NO forgiveness, mercy, forgiveness, Gospel, Cross, Blood, Christ, Savior by adequately tapping divine HELP to cease sin).



Pax Soli Christi



- Josiah

again with your falsehoods .. i have never said christians dont sin .

i have said what the scriptures states .. they dont continue in the practice of sin .. , not that they cannot commit 'a sin' .. but they wont continue to do it , they cannot .

again with the out of context scripture ripped from its contextual setting .. -Paul is using an example of himself to show how gracious god is .. he called himself the greatest of sinners and named the type of sin he was in volved in.. he went about in ignorant anger MURDERING the disciples of Jesus .. - did he continue to murder them after hye came to a knowledge of the grace of god ? NOPE he repented .. he turned away from doing that -stopped, ceased, desisted -he did not continue in sin..

he is speaking of what he was and how god even saved HIM .. -then it is written "For “you were like sheep going astray,”but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.".
you see- a change has occurred .. old things are passed away .. how we were in the flesh is not how we are in christ .. in the flesh we were slaves to sin doing what ever our flesh nature desired of evil.. BUT NOW we are servants of righteousness in christ .. made a new creation in christ Jesus , not that other person any more .

when this has occurred in you, you will comprehend it .. but you have not yet been born again of the Spirit of god .

 

[Alithis]

Perhaps she is imperfect - and thus violates Matthew 5:48? I know I am! SAINT and Apostle Paul wrote that he is (present tense!) the "CHIEF of sinners" so Paul insists that he too is a sinner (He doesn't list examples of the symptoms of that, but then that's none of your business). SAINT and Apostle John, also writing to CHRISTIANS, says that if ANYONE (pretty inclusive, huh) claims (present tense) to be (present tense) to be without sin, he LIES. He doesn't list examples for all the billions of people who have, are and will be alive on the planet (none of your business) but the ANYONE seems to cover that.


No Scripture says we cease sinning.It says NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one. If ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a LIAR. Scripture does tell us to not sin (LAW) but the Law does not cancel out, eliminate, destroy the GOSPEL and render Christ, the Cross a worthless joke and render God unfaithful to His promises.

Thus, your CONSTANT, perpetual rant in many different threads that Christians don't sin is not only unbiblical but of course obviously WRONG which is why you can't produce the name of even one - not even one person out of 7.3 BILLION living persons on the Planet Earth - who has ceased to sin, who never misses the mark ("sin") and thus always hits the mark (24/7, perfectly, absolutely) - proving your point wrong. And it also mandates that you dilutes or destroys both Law and Gospel (and thus Christianity) as you constantly does, promoting instead the soteriology of Bhakti Hinduism (we render ourselves such that NEED NO forgiveness, mercy, forgiveness, Gospel, Cross, Blood, Christ, Savior by adequately tapping divine HELP to cease sin).



Pax Soli Christi



- Josiah

highlighted in RED.. is a LIE .

for here is scripture .. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

you need to rethink . you need to go back and beleive the word of GOd .. none are righteous and that is why they need to come and obey the good news of jesus .. then HE MAKES THEM RIGHTEOUS ..

"So from now on we regard no one according to the flesh. Although we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come! ' - yup thats in the scripture too josiah .

 

[psalms 91]

Yet it also says that we all sin and he who says he doesnt is a liar so is it possible that we are talking about our spirit seperated from flesh?

 

[Lamb]

Yet it also says that we all sin and he who says he doesnt is a liar so is it possible that we are talking about our spirit seperated from flesh?

You're right bill in that we all sin and we all break the first commandment because we make many things into our own gods. We do not fully love God with our whole hearts. We do not love our neighbors as ourselves. These things get ignored and swept aside as if they aren't sins. Our faith is still being perfected which means we still sin. Now, yes, people can stop certain sins with the help of the Holy Spirit, yet other sins we still do like the ones I mentioned.

We are saint and sinner at the same time. Saint because we are covered in Christ's righteousness and sinner because our Old Adam is at odds with the New Adam. This is the struggle Paul refers to in scripture.

Saying that we can stop sinning is not Gospel. Saying that the Holy Spirit works within us is.

 

[Alithis]

Yet it also says that we all sin and he who says he doesnt is a liar so is it possible that we are talking about our spirit seperated from flesh?

Is that what it says bill?..read it again.

 

[Alithis]

You're right bill in that we all sin and we all break the first commandment because we make many things into our own gods. We do not fully love God with our whole hearts. We do not love our neighbors as ourselves. These things get ignored and swept aside as if they aren't sins. Our faith is still being perfected which means we still sin. Now, yes, people can stop certain sins with the help of the Holy Spirit, yet other sins we still do like the ones I mentioned.

We are saint and sinner at the same time. Saint because we are covered in Christ's righteousness and sinner because our Old Adam is at odds with the New Adam. This is the struggle Paul refers to in scripture.

Saying that we can stop sinning is not Gospel. Saying that the Holy Spirit works within us is.

If you are in a constant state of breaking gods perfectlaw..you are a constant law breaker.. You are in bondage and not yet saved from sin.
Jesus said if you love me you will do what i say (he was the manifestation of god in the flesh) the speaking of god.
At what time does he tell you to commit an act you know to be sin? Never?
Yes ..never. So are you lovong him when you do that action ? No.. And if you keep doingthat action you displayyoudonot love him.
For who keeps slapping the one they love in the face like that.. Whatsort ofweird love is that.

 

[visionary]

The two verses that seem to be the clashing contention are really at different stages of faith.

Time frame helps....
before born again .. after born again....
before accepting Yeshua as your Lord and Savior... after accepting Yeshua as your Lord and Savior.
before coming to the knowledge of truth... after coming to the knowledge of truth.

The more you know, the more that is required of you.
The more you are under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the less you will sin.
The more you are committed to Yeshua as your Lord and Savior, the less you are willing to desecrate His name and faith in you by sinning.

 

[Alithis]

The two verses that seem to be the clashing contention are really at different stages of faith.

Time frame helps....
before born again .. after born again....
before accepting Yeshua as your Lord and Savior... after accepting Yeshua as your Lord and Savior.
before coming to the knowledge of truth... after coming to the knowledge of truth.

The more you know, the more that is required of you.
The more you are under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the less you will sin.
The more you are committed to Yeshua as your Lord and Savior, the less you are willing to desecrate His name and faith in you by sinning.

yup.. just like its written .. you can't continue in sin..

well put by the way

 

[Lamb]

The two verses that seem to be the clashing contention are really at different stages of faith.

Time frame helps....
before born again .. after born again....
before accepting Yeshua as your Lord and Savior... after accepting Yeshua as your Lord and Savior.
before coming to the knowledge of truth... after coming to the knowledge of truth.

The more you know, the more that is required of you.
The more you are under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the less you will sin.
The more you are committed to Yeshua as your Lord and Savior, the less you are willing to desecrate His name and faith in you by sinning.

Except that Paul speaks to actual believers when he speaks both Law and Gospel being in our lives at the same time.

 

[Alithis]

well i do beleive he tells us that while we ..our old flesh nature lives ..it remains under law and so is condemned .. but if we die we are free from it ..

and later he goes on to say .. you died in christ when you were buried in baptism ..
and we are to henceforth reckon ourselves as dead to sin..- that's faith in action.

-and here i take my leave for a while -