Can you be sinless for even one second?

[Alithis]

Carnally... will never see the possibility.
Spiritually.. will see the probability if applied.

and Faith will grasp hold of it as that which already is and live in it .

 

[visionary]

Love would not violate the spirit or intent of the Law of God; that is why they are sacred. That is why they are to be meditated upon, so that you pray about not coming even near breaking them. So that you can see what Yeshua is saying about even lust is breaking "thou shalt not commit adultery". How much more of the training God has in store for those who look for His Way, His Truth, and His Life to live?

Another sacred issue with God is the use of His name. "Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..." This is a prohibition against making false oaths in the name of the God, specifically those which are pointless, insincere or never carried out. I think you can also include swearing using the Lord name asking Him to curse this or that, not even realizing what you are asking for. If God granted the words out of our mouth, wouldn't our world be what you would call a very bad case of "bad luck" and the sad thing is you wouldn't even realize why.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;" Our world is FULL of falsehoods because people are not taught the sacredness of the Ten Commandments. If fact, some feel that lying is an ART form to be developed. Many of you who have been in the work force or have encounter the way the sales market is handled know what I am saying when I say that Merchants lie to get sales, Politicians lie to get votes, and sad to say but some preachers lie. What a better world you would live in if you could trust what you have been told; when people's words were as good as gold. But not even your world is of much value because you no longer hold the Ten as sacred.

Until you meditate upon His Law and see its application, pray to know more about the Way God sees it, you will think it is too hard. That is where our tutor comes in and teaches you. The Holy Spirit will be teaching you as you prayerfully study the Word of God to know His Will. That law of ten precepts of the greatest love that can be presented to man is like the voice of God from heaven speaking to the soul in promise, “This do and you will not come under the dominion and control of Satan.” There is not a negative in that law, although it may appear thus. It is a DO and Live. God says you can live a sinless life. Satan says it can not be done.

 

[Alithis]

Love would not violate the spirit or intent of the Law of God; that is why they are sacred. That is why they are to be meditated upon, so that you pray about not coming even near breaking them. So that you can see what Yeshua is saying about even lust is breaking "thou shalt not commit adultery". How much more of the training God has in store for those who look for His Way, His Truth, and His Life to live?

Another sacred issue with God is the use of His name. "Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..." This is a prohibition against making false oaths in the name of the God, specifically those which are pointless, insincere or never carried out. I think you can also include swearing using the Lord name asking Him to curse this or that, not even realizing what you are asking for. If God granted the words out of our mouth, wouldn't our world be what you would call a very bad case of "bad luck" and the sad thing is you wouldn't even realize why.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;" Our world is FULL of falsehoods because people are not taught the sacredness of the Ten Commandments. If fact, some feel that lying is an ART form to be developed. Many of you who have been in the work force or have encounter the way the sales market is handled know what I am saying when I say that Merchants lie to get sales, Politicians lie to get votes, and sad to say but some preachers lie. What a better world you would live in if you could trust what you have been told; when people's words were as good as gold. But not even your world is of much value because you no longer hold the Ten as sacred.

Until you meditate upon His Law and see its application, pray to know more about the Way God sees it, you will think it is too hard. That is where our tutor comes in and teaches you. The Holy Spirit will be teaching you as you prayerfully study the Word of God to know His Will. That law of ten precepts of the greatest love that can be presented to man is like the voice of God from heaven speaking to the soul in promise, “This do and you will not come under the dominion and control of Satan.” There is not a negative in that law, although it may appear thus. It is a DO and Live. God says you can live a sinless life. Satan says it can not be done.

as partial example of such things applied .. this is why the lord brought me to the place where i learned to shun the very first inkling of an evil thought .. no matter from whence it originated .
the very moment its insidious suggestion became known, the lord taught me to turn my head away from it and shun it .. tear it down and bring it into subjection and instantaneously over come it in christ . with it dealt with at that level ..pulled down and destroyed before ever it could build a momentum it can never grow and bare the fruit of a deed in my life ..

that was a beginning some time ago .. now, in stark contrast ,the same rule is applied when i am laying hands on the sick for their healing and sharing the gospel.. the moment a thought or imagination tries to exalt itself above the knowledge of christ..i do not entertain it but pull it down.. for the lord has given us spiritual weapons and the FULL authority to use them for this very purpose.

where once i applied this rule to "not sin" but over come .. now i apply this rule to DO righteousness and abide in a state having already overcome .

 

[visionary]

as partial example of such things applied .. this is why the lord brought me to the place where i learned to shun the very first inkling of an evil thought .. no matter from whence it originated .
the very moment its insidious suggestion became known, the lord taught me to turn my head away from it and shun it .. tear it down and bring it into subjection and instantaneously over come it in christ . with it dealt with at that level ..pulled down and destroyed before ever it could build a momentum it can never grow and bare the fruit of a deed in my life ..

that was a beginning some time ago .. now, in stark contrast ,the same rule is applied when i am laying hands on the sick for their healing and sharing the gospel.. the moment a thought or imagination tries to exalt itself above the knowledge of christ..i do not entertain it but pull it down.. for the lord has given us spiritual weapons and the FULL authority to use them for this very purpose.

where once i applied this rule to "not sin" but over come .. now i apply this rule to DO righteousness and abide in a state having already overcome .

Yep.. That is the walk of the believer.

 

[Alithis]

Yep.. That is the walk of the believer.

How gracious our lord to bring us into his victories. His promises are yes and amen.and we enter the by first believing them and the acting as ones that believe them. Its called faith.

 

[Josiah]

I voted as I did because I don't think we are EVER perfect as God is perfect - we miss the mark (the definition of the word "sin"). I don't think there is EVER a time when we are worthy, not needing of God or Christ or the Cross or the Blood or mercy or love or grace.

 

[TurtleHare]

I voted no because if we could be sinless for one second then God wouldn't need to give us new bodies at the resurrection because these would already be perfect enough without sin. If we were sinless for one second then we would be exactly like God and could continue to be sinless from hereforth and it's not like when we have our resurrected bodies and the perfect communion explained in scriptures that we'll have with God.

 

[Josiah]

I voted no because if we could be sinless for one second then God wouldn't need to give us new bodies at the resurrection because these would already be perfect enough without sin. If we were sinless for one second then we would be exactly like God and could continue to be sinless from hereforth and it's not like when we have our resurrected bodies and the perfect communion explained in scriptures that we'll have with God.

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And of course, nor would we die - death being a punishment for our having sin.

To be sinless = to be hitting the mark. What is the mark? To be perfect just as God is, to be holy just as God is, to be loving just as Christ on the Cross, to have the same attitude and heart as Jesus, etc. Take any second you like...... are we hitting the mark or missing the mark?



Thank you!


- Josiah

 

[Alithis]

I voted as I did because I don't think we are EVER perfect as God is perfect - we miss the mark (the definition of the word "sin"). I don't think there is EVER a time when we are worthy, not needing of God or Christ or the Cross or the Blood or mercy or love or grace.

but there is a time when we are forgiven , cleansed of ALL unrighteousness , made a new creation brought into union with christ himself , made a co heir with him .made holy in him made perfect in him. he has done it all..
so why live as if he has not .. we must beleive the word of God .

 

[Alithis]

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And of course, nor would we die - death being a punishment for our having sin.

To be sinless = to be hitting the mark. What is the mark? To be perfect just as God is, to be holy just as God is, to be loving just as Christ on the Cross, to have the same attitude and heart as Jesus, etc. Take any second you like...... are we hitting the mark or missing the mark?



Thank you!


- Josiah

and what did the lord jesus come to do ... ?
he came to reconcile us to God . who is perfect, by making us perfect in himself . not by leaving us imperfect .
the continuance of sin remains a state of unrepentance no mater how you pain it .
you have to deal with the mater of sin in your life . you cant keep willfully doing it . take it to the cross and leave it there .

 

[Alithis]

I voted no because if we could be sinless for one second then God wouldn't need to give us new bodies at the resurrection because these would already be perfect enough without sin. If we were sinless for one second then we would be exactly like God and could continue to be sinless from hereforth and it's not like when we have our resurrected bodies and the perfect communion explained in scriptures that we'll have with God.

your both agreeing with each other and disagreeing with the scriptures .
so i will let the scripture speak for itself .
note the word "has " a past tense of that which is already done .

noye the term IF we continue to sin ...
none of the following is "me" speaking ..but everything of the following is what i have been saying in most threads for months now . it is DIRECT SCRIPTURE .


For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.


Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.

You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For,

“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”
And,
“But my righteous one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”
But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.

 

[Lamb]

Please show me the posts of members who have encouraged the continuation of sin? No one here is arguing that we should sin. The question of this topic is can you be sinless? Adam and Eve were sinless until they fell from faith. Scripture has used various terminology to describe other men of great faith but the only other one who was described as without sin is Jesus.

 

[visionary]

Yes, we all can not sin for one second. It is not like we sin continually. Sometimes we are at peace with God, and rest in His Glory.

 

[Alithis]

Please show me the posts of members who have encouraged the continuation of sin? No one here is arguing that we should sin. The question of this topic is can you be sinless? Adam and Eve were sinless until they fell from faith. Scripture has used various terminology to describe other men of great faith but the only other one who was described as without sin is Jesus.

Scroll back.. Both turtle and josiah are insisting that every one continues to sin and cant ever stop .

Though admitedl. They seem ,thus far,to not see the difference between a one off error. And a repeated act they know is wrong but keep doing .

A sinner saved..becomes a new creation in christ..
A sinner who claimes to be saved but is still practicing thier sin .. Like for intance,looking at porn every other day or week or month...
Displays that theyhave not yet become that new creation in christ. They have not yet been born again of the spirit of the lord.

1 john...
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him....

You see ,im only presenting what the scriptures say .
And it has not gone unnoticed that often the scripture i post is left out when. People reply to me...

 

[Lamb]

A sinner saved..becomes a new creation in christ..

There's Gospel.

1 john...
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

There is law.

And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin.

There is Gospel.

Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him....

There is Law.

Do you see there what the Law is doing? It's pointing at our flaws and shows our need for the Savior. Do you see what the Gospel portions of the text are doing? They're giving you the Christ!

 

[NewCreation435]

In God's eyes yes, but in the flesh no. Since nobody can please God apart from faith.God has thrown my sin as far away as the east is from the west.

 

[Josiah]

Christians aren't perfect (EVER) - but because of the Gospel, because of Christ, because of the Cross, because of the Blood, because of the Lamb, because of MERCY - we are forgiven. Forgiven, yes. Perfect/sinless, no.

 

[Josiah]

Scroll back.. Both turtle and josiah are insisting that every one continues to sin and cant ever stop .

YOU are the only one in all of CH who has even mentioned 'can't'.

YOU are the one with this very unbiblical theology that some cease to sin. But you persistently REFUSE to identify just 10 (or even just ONE) such person on the entire planet Earth, you can't seem to be able to fine even one among the 7.3 BILLION people currently alive. And of course, your theology (which you've shown reduces both Law and Gospel to near nothingness and irrelevance) simply means that Scripture is wrong when Paul tells the Christians in Rome, "NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one" (all in present tense), when John tells Christians, "If anyone claims to be without sin, he lies and deceives only himself." You suggest there's at least one person so much better than St. Paul who refers to himself (in the present tense) as "the CHIEF of SINNERS." I suspect the inability you have to name even ONE person who has ceased to sin SHOULD show you that your theology that you've been pitching here over and over and over, in thread after thread since you came here, is not only unbiblical but clearly wrong. And worse - you've revealed how it has lead you to hate and largely reject both Law and Gospel - the very basis of Christianity (SO much of what you post is, in fact, Bhatki Hinduism but you don't seem to realize that).



Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide! Soli DEO Gloria!



- Josiah

 

[Alithis]

There's Gospel.




There is law.



There is Gospel.



There is Law.

Do you see there what the Law is doing? It's pointing at our flaws and shows our need for the Savior. Do you see what the Gospel portions of the text are doing? They're giving you the Christ!

exactly .. so why do you then continue in sin ? there is no need to no reason to and nothing can compel you to .. we are not under the law of sin and death .. we are of course under the law of the spirit of life in christmas .. and while we abide in that law we cannot abide in the other law .. -we cant serve two masters . we must repent of following the one in order to follow the other .

the gospel.. which means good news is that Jesus has come and made it possible by his spirit to do so .. otherwise it would not be very good news at all.

 

[Josiah]

exactly .. so why do you then continue in sin ? there is no need to no reason to and nothing can compel you to .. we are not under the law of sin and death .. we are of course under the law of the spirit of life in christmas .. and while we abide in that law we cannot abide in the other law .. -we cant serve two masters . we must repent of following the one in order to follow the other .

the gospel.. which means good news is that Jesus has come and made it possible by his spirit to do so .. otherwise it would not be very good news at all.

We're still waiting for you to post the names of just ten living people (out of 7.3 BILLION) who have ceased to sin, to never miss the mark ("sin") and always hit the mark..... You keep talking about these perfect, obedient, sinless folks - you just can't seem to identify any..... not even one. For awhile, you seemed to imply that there's only one example (YOU) but when I suggested perhaps your wife could come on here and confirm that - you stopped mentioning yourself. When you post and confirm at least ten people ( a pretty small percentage of the 7.3 billion currently on the planet) are obedient, sinless - then perhaps your Bhatki Hindu point might deserve consideration. But since you can't think of even one, not even one, not a single solitary example on the entire Planet Earth of these folks you talk about constantly..... I'm apt to believe Scripture and Christianity in stead of you and Bhakti Hinduism, the Scripture that states, NO ONE is righteous, no, not even one...... if ANYONE claims to be without sin, he is a liar and deceives only himself.





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