Institutional Salvation

[visionary]

As long as you belong to the right religious institution you are saved.

How many believe that?

 

[psalms 91]

Not me, it is dependant on a personal relationship with Christ, not a church, or a denomination

 

[Josiah]

As long as you belong to the right religious institution you are saved.

How many believe that?

No. Contrary to what I was taught in my Catholic years, I reject that justification results from association with a specific denomination. In whole or in part. I believe that Jesus is the Savior, not any denomination. I have no 'issues' with parishes associating together in denominations, I only reject that any such denomination "saves" (in whole or in part).

 

[Lamb]

I don't know of any person who believes an institution saves them.

 

[psalms 91]

Im beginning to wonder

 

[visionary]

Some leaders of certain unnamed religious organization do...

By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic (Church) outside which we believe that no one is saved. -- Pope Innocent III, in Profession of Faith Prescribed for Durand of Osca and His Waldensian Companions [From the letter "Eius exemplo" to the Archbishop of Terraco, Dec. 18, 1208].

 

[psalms 91]

Some leaders of certain unnamed religious organization do...

By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic (Church) outside which we believe that no one is saved. -- Pope Innocent III, in Profession of Faith Prescribed for Durand of Osca and His Waldensian Companions [From the letter "Eius exemplo" to the Archbishop of Terraco, Dec. 18, 1208].

Yup

 

[Lamb]

Some leaders of certain unnamed religious organization do...

By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic (Church) outside which we believe that no one is saved. -- Pope Innocent III, in Profession of Faith Prescribed for Durand of Osca and His Waldensian Companions [From the letter "Eius exemplo" to the Archbishop of Terraco, Dec. 18, 1208].

Is that backing up your claim that institutions save? I don't see what you've posted to state that. It does state they don't believe anyone outside of their belief system is saved and that's a different mindset. They still believe Jesus as their Savior.

 

[visionary]

Is that backing up your claim that institutions save? I don't see what you've posted to state that. It does state they don't believe anyone outside of their belief system is saved and that's a different mindset. They still believe Jesus as their Savior.

When it states there is no one who is saved outside their church, that means your faith in Jesus doesn't count because you are Lutheran.

 

[psalms 91]

When it states there is no one who is saved outside their church, that means your faith in Jesus doesn't count because you are Lutheran.

Nor isa it ever ok or correct. The way is made up of believers of all faiths but not all entire faiths are included

 

[visionary]

There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.

 

[visionary]

We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Papal Bull Unam Sanctam, by Pope Boniface VIII, 1302.

 

[visionary]

The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their alms givings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. Papal Bull Cantate Domino, by Pope Eugene IV, 1441.

 

[visionary]

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/church3.html#CATHOLIC

 

[Josiah]

The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their alms givings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. Papal Bull Cantate Domino, by Pope Eugene IV, 1441.

Not only unbiblical - but so powerfully displays the ugly and incredible egoism, institutionalism and divisiveness that has been a part of the RC Denomination for many centuries. THIS is why when I refer to Catholics as my FULL, entirely EQUAL and UNseparated brothers and sisters in Christ, FULLY a member of Christ's church - they cannot say the same back to me: In Catholicism, everything is about the individual, singualar, exclusive CC Denomination: itself. There is MUCH in the RC Denomination that is admirable, but this obsession with itself as a denomination/institution.... this incredible egoism of itself over itself..... that is what lies at what is tragic about that denomination. And IMO (and that of my Greek Orthodox friend) is largely to "blame" for the MESS Christianity got into long before Luther was born (he inherited the MESS, he didn't create it).

 

[psalms 91]

Just shows how far from truth and infallibility they really are

 

[Alithis]

Just shows how far from truth and infallibility they really are

Yup..barring the way to heaven and not even going there themselves.